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welcome to unraveling the secrets where

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we explore the connecting links between

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the position speeds of the group of

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secret society outlaws we're creating a

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tightly controlled rural society with

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them as bosses and you and I as slaves

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to your system up your way known as the

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New World Order research indicates that

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most of the unexplained craft we're

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seeing our skies from somewhere on or

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inside our planet displayed your

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research of the whole world in

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subterranean theories in the 1980s

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nineties which in turn led to the

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realization that the answers received on

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the controller the number of other

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latest groups and secret societies that

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we call collectively the controllers

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even a quick look at recent world events

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should convince anyone that the

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controllers plan is working very well it

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is these things to explore and this

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radio show join us as we work towards

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is everybody out there come on come on

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turn up the volume this is Tim Buckley

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I'm here with Carla Anderson and that

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jackal down in Miami and we're getting

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guys I've got from upstate New York

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I've got Peter Robbins and way out we're

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way out there in Texas so we're going to

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bat it around we're going to throw out

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everybody's opinion on the subject and

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then we're going to go into the dugout

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and beat each other up because well you

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know if you want to call in please do so

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at 7 8 6 2 4 5 8 1 2 7 again that's 7 8

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north west east or south of the Equator

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if you're even on Pluto you call that

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number you'll get right in the show how

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about if you're on Uranus ha ha it might

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be a backdoor entry but it'll still get

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you in the show we take we call we take

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calls from everywhere I've got two books

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in my hand I've got Nick Redfern that's

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more books that I've read in - that's

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I've got secret history conspiracies and

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ancient aliens to the New World Order

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and you know you're getting to be like

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me Nick you put the more words you put

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in the title the better it is right

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there you go that's that's Nick that's

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Nick's latest secret history

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conspiracies from ancient aliens to the

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new world order and we're going to talk

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about that and then in my other hand I'm

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holding up a book that I worked on

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myself

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it's called Shirley MacLaine meets the

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Pelagians the amazing flying saucer

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experiences of celebrities rock stars

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and the rich and famous that would be

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all of us here right we're going to be

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discussing this book because there is a

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for the money there you go yeah there's

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a very exciting chapter in here it's a

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select book about celebrities some of

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whom I've interviewed going way back

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notorious Enquirer the star the Tattler

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and people which has nothing to do with

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the People magazine that's on the stands

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today this was a another tabloid out of

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Chicago but I got to interview a lot of

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celebrities and one of the questions I

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always ask them is whether they had a

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UFO or a paranormal experience now one

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of the chapters in the book is about

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Peter Robbins sister Helen wheels the

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queen of punk rock who when she was a

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is that correct there you were both

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teenagers Peters that correct well I was

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so that that kind of started Peters

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involvement in the field and of course

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today we know he is a well-known

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lecturer a speaker he's on the radio and

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TV almost every night of the week

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for the big bucks we're only on the

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early 8th for the buddy that's that's

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right mr. dorsen checks I know Nate does

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too only only only Jaime Masson gets the

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big bucks but there you go and this red

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dot yeah and so we're going we're going

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to be talking about there

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a Peter and Helen's experience now

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unfortunately a Helen isn't here to

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collaborate the story cuz she has passed

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on and that is a story in itself and

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the little men the the Martians the

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creatures whatever you want to call them

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from Roswell now so the Roswell UFO

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slides is nothing new Jackie Gleason and

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in Richard Nixon got to see them up

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close and personal and Peter's gonna

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tell us a little bit about this story

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because his buddy Larry Warren is the

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one who talked to Jackie Gleason and got

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the story firsthand and away we go

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Nick so tell us you know what is this

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book all about secret history

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conspiracies from ancient aliens to the

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new world order it's a thick one this

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thing my god I've already got up to 400

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let's see it's 448 pages and it's got

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every conceivable subject in the world

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in here in fact I'm just opening in the

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book and here's a photograph of George

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Adamski and or Athan that little look

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yeah and and there's Moses on the next

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page so everybody and and there's a very

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young Stanton Friedman all right yeah

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there it is so hey tell us a little bit

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about give us a sales pitch for this

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what what is this all about well

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basically it's very different to all the

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other books I've done which are like on

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just one particular subject one

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particular case the new book is sort of

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a study of conspiracy theories

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throughout history and some other know

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paranormal angle at all for example

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conspiracy around the death of Abraham

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so it's right up to date so in other

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words it's a study of conspiracies

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counter conspiracies and secrets and

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to hide historical events and

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so in that sense it's it deals it does

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section but then a lot of it is sort of

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political and historical conspiracy base

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material I gotta ask you both this what

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perspective the idea that you might if

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Jonah getting swallowed by a whale and

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of the whale for several days that sort

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of stretching things beyond their limit

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that there are a number of alien

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abduction stories where people report

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being taken onboard craft and placed

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liquid you know inside the belly could

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linen tanks with liquid you know but

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g-forces affecting them who knows so you

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they're snoring it was just me Peter

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Peter what is your opinion on ancient

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aliens ancient astronauts now we're

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until they come out are literally to

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what we'll keep it we'll keep it to the

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upper Anatomy for the the moment and

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some of them are just a little bit over

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the the top but UFOs in history

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the Bible is that do you think that's

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that's really that really happened or is

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it are the vivid imagination of Giorgio

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tsoukalos and he's here von Daniken and

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von Donigan Daniken Peter you hit this

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first go ahead there's like a lot of

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early mid seventies shortly after my

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interest activated when my childhood

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memory returned which truly had been

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repressed from that day when Ellen and I

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had our sighting and she had her

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incident in 1975 I I think that the

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basic premise is absolutely sound it's

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naive to think that they've been coming

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and going since 1947 or 1948 Susie a

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year if they're a presence and you know

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there are hundreds of thousands of years

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ahead of us and some of them are

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hundreds of thousands of years ahead of

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them or millions or whatever we're just

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to stop on the way between here and

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there I think the problem comes when we

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are asked to make greater and greater

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than powder when I read Ezekiel that

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rings true for me and yeah is that a dog

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growling or I don't know every ancient

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book has stories that we can interpret

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as a very potential misinterpretation of

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advanced technology in the eyes and the

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traditions and the legends and myths of

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aliens which has had some great episodes

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is a victim of the fact that they named

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it ancient aliens you can only get so

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many tenable cases before we're asked to

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that's nineteen thousand years old with

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lines coming out of the head and big

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black eyes and in Georgie's interminable

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words it's aliens

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around the eyes in the words of the

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great Judge Judy don't pee on my leg and

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tell me it's raining I think there's

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just such an overload and with the

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internet frenzy on anything strange and

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unusual that's just become de rigueur

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now the real case work I think is left

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behind for so much over speculation well

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that I would I would agree with you

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know you say visited these beings these

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entities these energies whatever you

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want to identify them with I call them

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the altered terrestrials because can't

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prove that they're extraterrestrial they

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obviously have been interfering

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interloping and and operating within our

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atmosphere since time was recorded I

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well we we can speak about well Nick did

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you write up the story about Enoch well

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yeah I actually mentioned it in there

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but you know I mean I agree that's a

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repeater you know I think there's the

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important thing or the significant thing

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about ancient alien stories is you know

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drawing the parallel well is it actually

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this or is it that and I think the big

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problem with resolving issues relative

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to the ancient aliens scenario you see

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you can look at things from very

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different angles and you know I mean a

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classic case in point is the Nazca lines

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you know where we've had people say

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they're you know landing strips which

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they're clearly not but the fact is that

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they can be seen far greater from above

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and interpreted from above now does that

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mean somebody actually ancient alien saw

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them above or was it simply they were

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built like that for for the gods that

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they believed you know we're in the

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heavens above so in other words you all

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of this is very much sort of open to

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interpretation one way or another and I

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think that's that's intriguing but it's

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also problematic as well well I tell you

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one of the things that I'm not into

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because I

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the Anunnaki you know before Zechariah

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stitchin wrote about the Anunnaki and

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the return of Planet X and his what was

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the first book Genesis or that he wrote

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anyway it doesn't matter before he wrote

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about the Anunnaki you never heard a

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word about them now everybody how many

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books if we went to Amazon and typed in

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Anunnaki how many books would we get on

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the subject how many experts are there

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on the subject how does everybody

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suddenly know about the Anunnaki when

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they couldn't possibly read even the

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tablets that any of this is written on

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what did they have to go on just because

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somebody else wrote about it previously

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they suddenly are experts on the subject

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so I don't even like to bring up

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Anunnaki or Planet X because I don't see

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the relevance in it

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yeah I the one person who could we could

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interview on the subject who probably

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would tell you to read his books because

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I remember attending a lecture that

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zecharia sitchin gave actually right

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next door to where I'm sitting now was

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the meeting hall of the New York 40n

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Society which John Nakia was the head of

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and I was on the board of directors and

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zecharia sitchin came down one day to

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discuss the topic except he really

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didn't discuss the topic because anytime

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anybody would ask him something about

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what he had written in the audience he'd

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say read my books yeah he was a tough

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old bird and he not only did not suffer

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fools lightly he suffered no one who had

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not read his books he was a character he

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was a true scholar I am proud to say

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that when I was a nobody just getting

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started on left that he skate with Larry

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Warren back in later 80s strange thing

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UFOs were not his thing per se and the

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Rendlesham forest incident to put it

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mildly as well but he kind of took me

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under his wing maybe it was sort of the

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Russian Jewish connection but we went

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out to dinner went out to lunch every

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once in a while and he was very

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encouraging I learned a lot from his

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first book the 12th planet which

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that's why found fascinating but I think

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Zachariah as well as giorgio as well as

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Eric asked us to take greater and

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greater leaps of faith as he continued

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to publish books maybe it's you know a

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casualty of becoming a highly

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specialized person in that area again

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certain cases for me

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ring incredibly true and other ones not

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so much

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well what would what would what would be

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the cases that ring him incredibly true

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are we talking about like Ezekiel's

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wheel well at a point it's got to be

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about 20 years ago Tim I go off on Jags

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sometimes and I get caught up on

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tangents at one point I actually got I

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think six or seven different Bibles the

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King James Version the one that I was

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given when I was bar mitzvah'd I

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literally went through them line by line

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reading Ezekiel translations very much

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the same and essentially we've got a

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simple man you know tending a sheep as I

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recall and out of the void out of the

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sky low the clouds you know open up and

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there is a wheel within a wheel with the

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appearance of eyes all around and

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appearance of burnished beryllium and it

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comes down and it's not some gossamer II

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ethereal thing it is metal and out of it

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comes an angel the original translation

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the original meaning of the word angel

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going back to the original Sumerian has

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nothing to do with heaven or God or

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anything else it's a word you would hear

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in the halls of power it's essentially

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an emissary or a go-between and it's got

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a metal head and it has four faces each

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a different animals face coming off of

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it now whether or not a mask like this

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would have been designed to blow the

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minds of the locals or this was thought

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because one does get the sense that at

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that time the interactions with these

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other intelligences was more to impact

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on our philosophy our culture our sense

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of right and wrong and morality to

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instill in us a fear of God and that you

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know if you did the right thing that God

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would love you but that that that very

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heavy part of monotheism and if you read

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it if you read any of the translations

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there is a highly technological aspect

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to it from me one of the most telling

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parts of that and you guys probably

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aware of it and have the book in your

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library years ago somebody was talking

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about just this point to a friend of

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theirs who happen to be a NASA systems

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designer in fact josef blumrich actually

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worked on the first lunar lander and

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being a you know space engineer he

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thought it was absolute nonsense but he

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read ezekiel and he was apparently quite

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dumbstruck that the descriptions he was

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seeing were not unlike something that he

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was working on the design of for as a

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lunar lander his book the spaceships of

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ezekiel is available you know you can

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pick up a paperback for a couple of

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bucks online and it's one everyone

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should read especially intelligent

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skeptics engineers and anyone who wants

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to challenge the idea i think that's one

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of the premier cases as far as ancient

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visitations go so you would you would

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say then that the the bible does have

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episodic or incidents of visitations

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that oh yes yes oh yes the same way the

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upanishads does and literally every

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ancient religious texts now again we may

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be dealing with allegories analogies

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legends myths reach handlings of earlier

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stories from previous cultures but if it

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looks like a duck it walks like a duck

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and quacks like a duck sometimes it

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actually is a duck it could well be now

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now Nick

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you're not a you're not a bible-thumper

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as I as I take although even though

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y'all live in Texas but I no no I well

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go ahead you yeah I'm not a bible

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thumper but the only thing that sort of

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aggravates me about belief systems when

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it comes to religious he's when they saw

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reinforced on other people and somebody

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arrogantly says well my books right and

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yours is 100% wrong and you need to

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change your ways you know I I don't care

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what people believe as long as he

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doesn't adversely affect other people

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now what I would say he's that you know

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when Peter was talking about sort of our

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prisons and things like this the idea

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that if you read the Bible a lot of

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these ancient texts you do find but they

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all basically have the same themes that

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in the distant past there was

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interaction between the human race and

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some form of higher entities that are

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able to perform you know miracles or you

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know strange manifestations in the sky

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and that kind of thing and I think that

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very issue alone

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is important because whether you put a

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spin on it that it's yordanos people

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whether you believe it was you know the

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interaction of the gods or a god a deity

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or if you think it was extraterrestrials

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you know I think when you look at

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stories legends parables it's such a

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parables etc etc what you find is that

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there's generally I get a call truth at

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the heart of them so I think that's why

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it's important to study these ancient

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biblical accounts you know not

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necessarily take them literally but to

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try and figure out like blood rich did

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in spaceships of ezekiel try and figure

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out hey either actually some truth

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behind this which may have been not

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deliberately but inverting lee distorted

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by the the witness because he had really

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had no idea what they were seen so they

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were only able to talk about it and

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describe it according to

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their abilities at that particular time

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so you know I think these all of these

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ancient books are incredibly valuable

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for what they potentially could tell us

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and I think that's why we need to study

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them you know to see if it is going to

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throw more light on the whole ancient

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aliens angle or you know I will people

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go more data path more of a religious

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way but clearly you know all of the ways

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you find that these books you know from

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India from the Middle East and then you

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have Native American law South American

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legends when all of these different

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cultures and people have stories of

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these fantastic beings coming down and

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there's a worldwide thread we've

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reportedly a lot of these nations never

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ever meeting each other across empaths

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you got a really pay attention to that

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and I recognize that and as I think you

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something strange happened but I don't

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feel the need to sort of force-feed and

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somebody's throat the idea that it was

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this and if you don't believe it was

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this you gonna burn for the rest of

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eternity you know yeah we don't we'll

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we'll only burn for half of eternity so

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that's Hank has section hey hey Carla

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Karl are you there Carla no Carla has

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this call EMS I think she has passed

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down yeah Carla you know what Nick was

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always interested me there was a a book

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a bromley wrote now it was a book I had

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eaten in the title do you remember the

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exact okay it's a very interesting book

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I remember reading it many many years

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ago of course not

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he took a rather negative a viewpoint on

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the the visitation in ancient times by

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these entities I mean he didn't see it

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as a very positive thing to him I don't

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think there were any angels in the in

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the attic and one of the subjects that

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he spoke about I remember seeing him

534
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interviewed on there

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I think perhaps on ancient aliens about

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this and you've written about it is the

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well the

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the plagues of Egypt and also the

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plagues from the middle century I mean

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he he actually believes I think that

541
00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:08,559
these plagues were were caused by

542
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:10,870
extraterrestrials or altered

543
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:13,210
terrestrials I remember him saying that

544
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,330
the the arrival the first arrival of the

545
00:26:21,450 --> 00:26:19,120
Grim Reaper was during the the plague

546
00:26:25,049 --> 00:26:21,460
where hundreds of thousands of people

547
00:26:28,890 --> 00:26:25,059
probably litter literally died had you

548
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:28,900
investigated any of that at all painted

549
00:26:40,289 --> 00:26:34,000
único fish Peter are you fall asleep -

550
00:26:47,159 --> 00:26:40,299
oh no I'm I'm such a I'm such a good

551
00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:47,169
hose talking to me and talk back to the

552
00:26:58,140 --> 00:26:51,820
cat speak to your feline also I put

553
00:27:00,270 --> 00:26:58,150
everybody I put everybody at ease no I

554
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:00,280
have not looked into that in any serious

555
00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:09,850
research way and you Nick perspective of

556
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:12,190
looking at I have you know is it

557
00:27:15,659 --> 00:27:13,980
possible that some of these plagues

558
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:15,669
could have been you know like

559
00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:20,710
genetically created or altered virus you

560
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,540
know something like an extraterrestrial

561
00:27:29,130 --> 00:27:25,600
virus or manipulation of a you know a

562
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,140
terrestrial virus Jim wipeouts you know

563
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:30,880
certain people a lot of people don't

564
00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:33,730
realize that in the last few years a

565
00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:35,620
great deal of research has been

566
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:38,470
undertaken into an extremely disturbing

567
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:40,510
area of biological warfare and it's

568
00:27:46,590 --> 00:27:44,250
basically known as race profiling

569
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:46,600
viruses and biological warfare the idea

570
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:49,600
and actually being able to target a

571
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:51,910
specific race a specific body of people

572
00:27:57,299 --> 00:27:54,880
with a virus that won't affect other

573
00:28:00,180 --> 00:27:57,309
people you know that get down really

574
00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:00,190
controversial areas now you know if you

575
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,230
read things like HG Wells or the world's

576
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:04,960
the aliens are killed by the flu virus

577
00:28:10,530 --> 00:28:07,690
you know they're though combat against

578
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,540
our common cold then you have to move

579
00:28:16,050 --> 00:28:13,120
is like novels Michael Crichton's the

580
00:28:18,170 --> 00:28:16,060
Andromeda Strain about a space rock crap

581
00:28:21,030 --> 00:28:18,180
that comes back to the earth and

582
00:28:22,530 --> 00:28:21,040
essentially kicks off a virus that has

583
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:22,540
the potential to wipe out the human race

584
00:28:29,970 --> 00:28:26,080
if you could potentially at least design

585
00:28:32,220 --> 00:28:29,980
you know a designer virus maybe that has

586
00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:32,230
a bearing on you know the stories of the

587
00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:34,360
plagues you know plagues of Egypt all

588
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:35,500
that kind of thing

589
00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:39,130
firstborn died and maybe it wasn't just

590
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:40,870
a legend - maybe it wasn't literally a

591
00:28:46,050 --> 00:28:43,510
case of God you know do it during that

592
00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:46,060
perhaps perhaps it was something you

593
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:48,520
know a highly advanced alien

594
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:51,850
extraterrestrial well-versed in genetics

595
00:28:58,620 --> 00:28:56,050
and viruses well you know one of the one

596
00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:58,630
of the things that NASA has you know if

597
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:00,250
a spaceship lands you're supposed to

598
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:01,930
keep your distance to report it to them

599
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:04,990
I guess it is one of the reasons this

600
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:06,820
it's actually illegal I believe to go up

601
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:09,850
and and make yourself welcome to an et

602
00:29:15,810 --> 00:29:14,050
because you might actually be spreading

603
00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:15,820
some have the potential of spreading

604
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:19,150
some extraterrestrial via that could

605
00:29:23,940 --> 00:29:21,310
wipe out the entire planet

606
00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:23,950
so keep that in that in mind in fact

607
00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:25,480
maybe that's the one reason that they

608
00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:27,790
surround their often surround their ship

609
00:29:31,050 --> 00:29:29,800
with a force field is because we know

610
00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:31,060
they know that we shouldn't approach

611
00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:34,120
them hmm maybe maybe maybe there is

612
00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:37,660
something to that I I remember you

613
00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:39,190
remember the story about the two guys in

614
00:29:44,820 --> 00:29:42,040
Pascagoula of course Calvin Calvin

615
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:44,830
Parker and jolly Hicks in my old four

616
00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:49,330
Hickson down there well now I always had

617
00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:52,180
some faith in the in in that story there

618
00:29:56,010 --> 00:29:54,550
it's always touted as one of the you

619
00:29:58,830 --> 00:29:56,020
know highly regarded abduction

620
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:58,840
experiences but many many years ago and

621
00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:01,840
I can't tell you the exact year Calvin

622
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:05,590
Parker broke his silence and he actually

623
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:07,690
came with a couple of let's call them

624
00:30:13,860 --> 00:30:10,810
handlers to one of my conferences and I

625
00:30:16,770 --> 00:30:13,870
believe it was Phoenix and he he

626
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:16,780
actually spoke on his experience

627
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:18,490
probably one of the few times and I wish

628
00:30:23,670 --> 00:30:21,610
I had a copy of the have the of the tape

629
00:30:24,419 --> 00:30:23,680
but I don't have it anyway he told this

630
00:30:27,149 --> 00:30:24,429
really

631
00:30:29,639 --> 00:30:27,159
what I considered a Wacka ding hi story

632
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:29,649
about how when he and Charlie would take

633
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,610
it into the craft he was taken into a

634
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:35,440
separate compartment and there was a

635
00:30:41,789 --> 00:30:38,559
naked alien there a woman I if I

636
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:41,799
remember correctly and she told her it

637
00:30:48,869 --> 00:30:45,240
she told him in the midst of some

638
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:48,879
congenial how would I put this well they

639
00:30:58,259 --> 00:30:54,490
were they were aids was some sort of

640
00:31:01,080 --> 00:30:58,269
extraterrestrial a virus or what had you

641
00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:01,090
know what have you and I always thought

642
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:02,740
that that kind of lowered the caliber of

643
00:31:08,609 --> 00:31:05,740
the of the the story and I kind of

644
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:08,619
believe less of it now than I did before

645
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,600
I wouldn't rank that now so high up what

646
00:31:16,820 --> 00:31:13,360
is it worth for what it's worth to him I

647
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:16,830
did spend time with with Charlie Higson

648
00:31:25,019 --> 00:31:21,299
Larry as well down in Mississippi and

649
00:31:27,539 --> 00:31:25,029
the fact is Budd Hopkins had very strong

650
00:31:29,549 --> 00:31:27,549
feelings about this he felt that Calvin

651
00:31:32,009 --> 00:31:29,559
and this is you know it's just human

652
00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:32,019
nature in some cases he was a younger

653
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:32,230
guy

654
00:31:40,499 --> 00:31:37,929
sophisticated that Calvin's fuses had

655
00:31:42,779 --> 00:31:40,509
been really overloaded on this that he

656
00:31:45,899 --> 00:31:42,789
had something of a breakdown and did not

657
00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:45,909
want to admit you know the loss of power

658
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:48,340
and that he created this alternate

659
00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:51,850
scenario that was much more storybook

660
00:31:57,930 --> 00:31:53,830
Charlie stuck to his guns though right

661
00:32:00,720 --> 00:31:57,940
to his death and I believed him mm-hmm

662
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:00,730
well I'm just I'm just just simply you

663
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:03,490
know I allowed of these I'm a journalist

664
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:05,769
I mean that's how I see myself in fact

665
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:07,090
that's one of the reasons that I kind of

666
00:32:10,350 --> 00:32:08,529
get along with everybody in this field

667
00:32:12,269 --> 00:32:10,360
it pretty much everybody is because I

668
00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:12,279
don't necessarily have to take a stand

669
00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:14,980
on something here's what you told me and

670
00:32:20,009 --> 00:32:17,860
I try to relate it to people who are

671
00:32:23,999 --> 00:32:20,019
interested in hearing of these things is

672
00:32:26,489 --> 00:32:24,009
reliably and forthright as I can without

673
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,499
a chain changing your you know your

674
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,440
meaning or your describing your

675
00:32:33,210 --> 00:32:31,600
experience now that doesn't mean that I

676
00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:33,220
don't necessarily have an opinion

677
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:36,100
because people ask me what my opinion is

678
00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:38,290
and you know what I tell them I said

679
00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:40,390
it really when it comes to UFOs it

680
00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:42,430
really doesn't matter what my opinion is

681
00:32:47,610 --> 00:32:45,160
or what your opinion is because UFOs at

682
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:47,620
depend independently of all of our

683
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:51,010
opinion yes and just just when you think

684
00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:53,370
you might have you know you might have

685
00:32:59,100 --> 00:32:56,350
discovered something or unraveled a a

686
00:33:02,490 --> 00:32:59,110
secret as we like to say here on the PSN

687
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:02,500
network you're you're fooled again the

688
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:05,230
trickster comes out and you know hand

689
00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:10,570
you a curve ball or a sinker and and so

690
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:16,060
if it goes on just as in the case of the

691
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:20,110
ill-fated Roswell alien slides and I

692
00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:22,810
figure that if there's any truth to the

693
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:25,630
scenario about the mythical trickster he

694
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:28,260
was back he was in the back of that

695
00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:32,110
auditorium laughing his ass off hmm yeah

696
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,040
yeah and and and so let's let's touch on

697
00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:37,840
this for five minutes and then get on to

698
00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:38,920
do something else

699
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:40,990
because I think at this point only I

700
00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:44,770
mean my son is left holding the bag and

701
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:46,840
thinking that it could be an actual

702
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:50,290
extraterrestrial here because see

703
00:33:57,260 --> 00:33:53,700
because because now as early as January

704
00:34:00,810 --> 00:33:57,270
26 I actually posted on the internet a

705
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:00,820
photograph of a Native American Indian

706
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:04,860
mummy and I realized that there was a

707
00:34:10,919 --> 00:34:08,560
very great similarity nevermind a number

708
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:10,929
of ribs and so forth I mean how could

709
00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:12,910
you even count that in a in a photograph

710
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,340
you know I mean it to me that's like

711
00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:16,720
that part of it it's kind of

712
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,460
preposterous saying well it's got to be

713
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:20,800
an extraterrestrial because it doesn't

714
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:23,440
look like what I would conceive a you

715
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:27,910
know a child mummy to look like go ahead

716
00:34:36,150 --> 00:34:32,800
Peter you first and I think you fell

717
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:36,160
asleep again hey Peter us the fact is

718
00:34:41,970 --> 00:34:40,510
that we looked at those photos and my

719
00:34:44,610 --> 00:34:41,980
first thought was that it was a sideshow

720
00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:44,620
shot and there's a great quote

721
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:47,500
attributed to Hermann Goering Reich's

722
00:34:51,659 --> 00:34:49,690
Minister of Culture that I always liked

723
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,669
which translate says when I

724
00:34:56,849 --> 00:34:53,440
here the word culture I reach from my

725
00:34:59,640 --> 00:34:56,859
pistol when I hear about a photograph of

726
00:35:01,559 --> 00:34:59,650
an alien in a glass box or an alien

727
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:01,569
looking in a window I reach for mine

728
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:06,730
allegorically and to build this huge

729
00:35:14,370 --> 00:35:10,390
event around these very tenuous bits of

730
00:35:18,510 --> 00:35:14,380
what I'll call evidence it was sort of

731
00:35:21,299 --> 00:35:18,520
human folly and kind of a case of mass

732
00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:21,309
delusion in a way I like Jaime very much

733
00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:25,270
as a person nice guy I I really admire

734
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:28,990
his enthusiasm but he has put things

735
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:32,079
forward that I consider incredibly

736
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:35,920
sensational and not proven fact again

737
00:35:41,849 --> 00:35:38,710
I'm you know I'm a total pragmatist I

738
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:41,859
work with hard evidence as much as

739
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:44,940
possible I pride myself where I can in

740
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:48,250
presenting research that you could at

741
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:50,950
least bring some of into a court of law

742
00:35:56,849 --> 00:35:53,530
in terms of the the kinds of evidence

743
00:35:59,730 --> 00:35:56,859
that attach to it obviously we're in an

744
00:36:02,520 --> 00:35:59,740
area of study where there's so much

745
00:36:04,829 --> 00:36:02,530
stuff that you can't do that with but

746
00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:04,839
it's sort of a rush to judgment I felt

747
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:08,680
and something that you know of course a

748
00:36:13,859 --> 00:36:10,630
lot of people are laughing up their

749
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:13,869
sleeves or making fun of the entire area

750
00:36:19,950 --> 00:36:17,530
of study of UFOs because of this event

751
00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:19,960
and that's a shame I mean you know it'll

752
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:22,630
get over it and things will move on but

753
00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:25,569
I think it's much ado about not an awful

754
00:36:34,109 --> 00:36:29,790
lot and it's a shame and Nick would you

755
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,119
wanna fight yeah I agree what Peter said

756
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:36,900
what I would add to that is that what

757
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:40,750
angers me and puzzles me is when the

758
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:43,510
slides were shown in Mexico literally

759
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,880
the whole house of cards collapsed

760
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:48,160
within those under Tuesday you know he

761
00:36:52,140 --> 00:36:50,170
was all over by that a fairly late is

762
00:36:55,770 --> 00:36:52,150
the Saturday and within a couple days

763
00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:55,780
after that we had apologies from child

764
00:37:03,450 --> 00:36:58,930
regalia and then Don Schmidt well this

765
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:03,460
was May 2015 the issue of the slides had

766
00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:05,230
been in circulation

767
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:07,270
never you know for like two and a half

768
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:10,690
years and people been looking at it

769
00:37:14,970 --> 00:37:12,790
behind the scenes before all of us got

770
00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:14,980
to seize what I haven't had a

771
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,550
satisfactory answer to is if the whole

772
00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:21,280
thing can be resolved in four days five

773
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:23,380
days max after the unveiling of the

774
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:25,690
slides why couldn't that have been done

775
00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:28,410
in that two-year period in which

776
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:31,180
everything was behind the scenes yeah I

777
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:33,970
mean you know two years he's a hell of a

778
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:37,690
long time and using you know the

779
00:37:43,290 --> 00:37:41,680
technology that allows the blurry text

780
00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:43,300
to be seen as it is you know that's

781
00:37:48,270 --> 00:37:46,600
valid technology and the other thing is

782
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,280
that when you look at that high-res one

783
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:50,560
or right behind it there's like an

784
00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:52,330
animal's head the other side clearly

785
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:54,070
showing you it's in some sort of display

786
00:38:00,660 --> 00:37:58,450
or Museum you know and so why wasn't

787
00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:00,670
that issue discussed a two and a half

788
00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:02,740
years ago along the lines of you know

789
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:04,300
this may and Peter had got it and we

790
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:05,530
were showing you know you know I'm sure

791
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:07,210
both of us would have said well what's

792
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:10,570
the other head behind it you know and I

793
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:14,770
don't understand how or why the if the

794
00:38:18,810 --> 00:38:16,210
whole thing can be wrapped up in five

795
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:18,820
days it takes you after two years the

796
00:38:23,070 --> 00:38:20,530
the team that looked at it they couldn't

797
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:23,080
do likewise and and I think that's why a

798
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:25,570
lot of things are justifiably angry you

799
00:38:30,810 --> 00:38:28,150
know you have people who pay good money

800
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:30,820
to watch it on the internet or who

801
00:38:35,940 --> 00:38:33,310
literally flew down to Mexico or people

802
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:35,950
in Mexico drove out to where it was put

803
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:39,760
on and I think there'll be less anger if

804
00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:41,770
it was a really complex case and he took

805
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:44,020
it another 10 years and and it was

806
00:38:47,340 --> 00:38:45,850
resolved then as a mummy people say well

807
00:38:49,859 --> 00:38:47,350
okay they put all the effort in and

808
00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:49,869
everything but I can understand why

809
00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:51,460
people are angry it's because they paid

810
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:53,800
out all this money yes and literally

811
00:38:57,870 --> 00:38:55,990
within hours order you know day they

812
00:39:00,510 --> 00:38:57,880
literally you know handful of hours but

813
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:00,520
some days it was all over you know that

814
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:02,890
that that is all to me that's outrageous

815
00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:04,270
you know this is like charge all this

816
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,040
morning and it collapsed within a week

817
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:08,560
you know that that's I think that's one

818
00:39:15,150 --> 00:39:10,930
of a lot of people on your band one

819
00:39:16,770 --> 00:39:15,160
lasting you know Peter can you know pay

820
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:16,780
to that one last thing I would just say

821
00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:17,650
is

822
00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:22,750
meant to open up more on Roswell

823
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:24,760
I think it will now actually have the

824
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,010
exact opposite effect whereas if anybody

825
00:39:32,279 --> 00:39:29,440
else that comes forward on Roswell with

826
00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:32,289
regard to photographs of strange bodies

827
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:34,420
they even possibly test them out if you

828
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:37,270
know my grandfather this etc etc people

829
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:39,700
are going to look at it very warily and

830
00:39:44,609 --> 00:39:42,190
I think the worst angle of all is the

831
00:39:46,410 --> 00:39:44,619
fact that to me I still believe

832
00:39:48,029 --> 00:39:46,420
something very very weird happened at

833
00:39:51,630 --> 00:39:48,039
Roswell and I'm sure you hated earlier

834
00:39:54,029 --> 00:39:51,640
and and that's that's the big irony is

835
00:39:56,490 --> 00:39:54,039
that this is going to impact negatively

836
00:40:00,269 --> 00:39:56,500
on a case that he's still valid you know

837
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:00,279
yeah nick is absolutely correct and it's

838
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:02,950
you know I used the word tragedy this

839
00:40:11,029 --> 00:40:06,730
event was really geared to spectacle

840
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:11,039
rather than scholarship it was an event

841
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:13,660
it was a happening as we would have said

842
00:40:20,099 --> 00:40:18,220
in the 60s and the fact that from what

843
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:20,109
we understand nobody's come out with a

844
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:21,970
figure yet but in terms of the

845
00:40:27,089 --> 00:40:24,910
pay-per-view aspect alone there's a lot

846
00:40:29,819 --> 00:40:27,099
of money that we're talking about that a

847
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:29,829
small number of people made putting

848
00:40:35,309 --> 00:40:32,440
something together that in the words of

849
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:35,319
my late great grandmother it was all

850
00:40:41,099 --> 00:40:38,770
bluffin no stuff as far as I'm concerned

851
00:40:43,950 --> 00:40:41,109
and you know who are any of us to say

852
00:40:47,789 --> 00:40:43,960
what is or isn't absolutely factual if

853
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:47,799
there's a 1% chance that this is what

854
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:51,640
Jaime and the scientists that he is you

855
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:53,890
know teamed up with that there is

856
00:41:00,120 --> 00:40:56,890
something truly anomalous to this poor

857
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:00,130
little dead critter in the glass box

858
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:02,470
I'll apologize profusely in the future

859
00:41:12,569 --> 00:41:07,450
however to tag poor Roswell and drag it

860
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:12,579
in is a bit of a travesty nick is one of

861
00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:16,569
the few people in the field who has had

862
00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:19,180
the courage to go up against the you

863
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:21,220
Falah djegal establishment and i

864
00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:23,410
remember it well because i was working

865
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:26,200
for the city of roswell after war in

866
00:41:30,329 --> 00:41:28,150
three years it was about the coolest job

867
00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:30,339
one of the coolest jobs I ever had it

868
00:41:34,859 --> 00:41:31,720
involved

869
00:41:37,799 --> 00:41:34,869
trying to build with the dear old mayor

870
00:41:39,690 --> 00:41:37,809
who has replaced twice now with mayor's

871
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:39,700
that don't care about this subject to

872
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:41,490
put it mildly

873
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:45,250
responsible ufo-related tourism I was

874
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:47,410
the city of Roswell's liaison on

875
00:41:52,529 --> 00:41:50,890
anything ufo-related with the office the

876
00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:52,539
office of governor Richardson which I

877
00:41:58,740 --> 00:41:54,670
was back and forth with them a number of

878
00:42:01,170 --> 00:41:58,750
times between 2007 and 2010 and I also

879
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:01,180
helped to organize the conferences and I

880
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:04,690
was instrumental as in in bringing in

881
00:42:10,589 --> 00:42:06,910
Nick Redfern at one point for one of the

882
00:42:14,339 --> 00:42:10,599
conferences and he had guts he presented

883
00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:14,349
a completely alternate terrestrial

884
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:17,980
theory built on you know an advanced

885
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:22,210
German test craft a case of a

886
00:42:31,710 --> 00:42:28,619
physiologically freakishly and ill

887
00:42:34,859 --> 00:42:31,720
individual whose body was misinterpreted

888
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:34,869
and you know a perfect storm of

889
00:42:43,289 --> 00:42:40,450
confluences I thought Nick made the best

890
00:42:47,579 --> 00:42:43,299
argument for that alternate theory that

891
00:42:50,009 --> 00:42:47,589
I had ever heard I remain in the camp

892
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:50,019
that feels Stanton Friedman would say

893
00:42:57,900 --> 00:42:52,930
the gray box and that it was something

894
00:43:01,170 --> 00:42:57,910
genuinely anomalous but to tag Roswell

895
00:43:04,499 --> 00:43:01,180
with it especially with the decades of

896
00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:04,509
hard work and solid research that a

897
00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:06,940
handful of really respected people have

898
00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:10,750
put into it is a shame I spent last

899
00:43:15,269 --> 00:43:14,470
weekend in part of it in Erie

900
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:15,279
Pennsylvania

901
00:43:21,630 --> 00:43:17,529
speaking at a MUFON conference and the

902
00:43:24,990 --> 00:43:21,640
other builds best build speaker was Don

903
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:25,000
Schmitt and Don showed a lot of

904
00:43:30,990 --> 00:43:27,609
character he spent the entire first part

905
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:31,000
of his talk talking about how he had

906
00:43:36,089 --> 00:43:33,670
kind of lost his direction briefly in

907
00:43:39,269 --> 00:43:36,099
this thing and been pulled into it in

908
00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:39,279
part it's kind of the embodiment of the

909
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:42,430
wonderful Fox Mulder poster it's not I

910
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:44,690
want to understand I want to learn

911
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:47,930
I want the evidence it's I want to

912
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,310
believe we all have a longing for this

913
00:43:56,530 --> 00:43:54,319
being the epitome of these events for

914
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:56,540
things like this to be so some of them

915
00:44:01,240 --> 00:43:58,970
likely are some of them aren't and I

916
00:44:04,059 --> 00:44:01,250
spent the Sunday night I stayed over at

917
00:44:06,130 --> 00:44:04,069
my friend Ridge stolons on this last

918
00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:06,140
Sunday night and we talked about this

919
00:44:10,510 --> 00:44:08,750
long into the night as well rich who has

920
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:10,520
done so much good work over the last

921
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:13,490
decade has has he gotten flack over this

922
00:44:18,730 --> 00:44:16,790
and and he has undeserving Lee so

923
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:18,740
because you know let me look at look at

924
00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:20,150
look at my career which is certainly

925
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:29,960
more tainted anybody you know what I'd

926
00:44:35,290 --> 00:44:32,720
see I don't put myself up I don't have

927
00:44:37,569 --> 00:44:35,300
the smoking gun yeah maybe I do actually

928
00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:37,579
if anybody has the smoky gun I probably

929
00:44:44,890 --> 00:44:39,740
got it here somewhere in these 40 file

930
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:44,900
cabinets gun that is that's because I'm

931
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:48,770
in New York Rich's basic argument was

932
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:51,710
when he was invited he accepted because

933
00:44:56,290 --> 00:44:53,990
they wanted a historian there of course

934
00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:56,300
it would lend credence if he believed in

935
00:45:02,589 --> 00:44:58,250
it and you know came down on that side

936
00:45:04,329 --> 00:45:02,599
but his basic reason for accepting was

937
00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:04,339
would have been the reason that I would

938
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:06,200
have accepted if Jaime sent me a ticket

939
00:45:10,780 --> 00:45:08,450
and promised me an honorarium which I

940
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:10,790
would have been curious plus and I make

941
00:45:16,809 --> 00:45:13,490
no bones about this one of the few real

942
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,819
perks in this crazy work is occasionally

943
00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:19,280
for me for Nick we get to go to some

944
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,260
interesting places I've never been to

945
00:45:28,290 --> 00:45:24,079
Mexico City I've never been to a UFO

946
00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:28,300
related event of such proportion and

947
00:45:34,180 --> 00:45:30,430
theatrics I would just been

948
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:34,190
sociologically curious as hell but yeah

949
00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:37,310
rich has really been attacked on this by

950
00:45:43,450 --> 00:45:41,150
people who are in the category of what I

951
00:45:45,550 --> 00:45:43,460
term and it's my word and it's patented

952
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:45,560
folks so send me a dime every time you

953
00:45:48,849 --> 00:45:45,980
use it

954
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,859
ankle-biters people who sit there at

955
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:51,680
their computer screens pontificate who

956
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:54,890
have added nothing to the work but love

957
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,540
to see people take a fall who

958
00:46:03,020 --> 00:45:59,520
have done their best to establish a

959
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,030
reputation this will pass I even I saw a

960
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:05,040
post about this is going to destroy rich

961
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:07,560
stolons career please the only person

962
00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:10,500
who will ever if ever destroy rich

963
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:12,870
Dolan's career is rich if he wants to

964
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:15,210
get on to another career he is one of

965
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:16,920
our greatest scholars he's a heck of a

966
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,740
nice guy and he's work continues to

967
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:21,780
contribute to what we know about it he's

968
00:46:27,350 --> 00:46:24,720
also I would call a vanguard thinker in

969
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:27,360
the work but you know he's open to all

970
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:29,730
the possibilities again there's a lot of

971
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:32,790
collateral damage on this and my basic

972
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,760
philosophy on it is right I get it

973
00:46:40,220 --> 00:46:38,400
let's talk it out a bit and then get on

974
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:40,230
with things there's important work to be

975
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,280
done for all of us

976
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:42,960
well you know I think we should point

977
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:47,130
out is that alien bodies tend to rise to

978
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:50,250
the surface from time from from time to

979
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:52,710
time this is this is not sir this is

980
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:55,500
certainly not the first time that a an

981
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:58,650
alien body or an alien mummy has raised

982
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:02,480
its its head from out of the sand now

983
00:47:08,090 --> 00:47:05,160
you know I was an editor for 11 years

984
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:08,100
I'm not so break Tomaso oh okay how many

985
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:13,740
minutes all right well you know when I

986
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,930
was editing UFO universe and its sister

987
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:18,240
publications for about 11 or 12 years I

988
00:47:24,620 --> 00:47:21,690
think I published at least three or four

989
00:47:27,350 --> 00:47:24,630
articles maybe even more that had photos

990
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:27,360
with them of alien bodies

991
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:30,090
I remember one okay I remember one alien

992
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:32,310
body that was being touted as being

993
00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:35,400
legitimate by marina Popovich the the

994
00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:38,520
Russian cosmonaut well this was I hate

995
00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:41,900
to say it it was a rubber dummy and I I

996
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:43,950
published it on the back of the magazine

997
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:45,960
in color because I had a nice color

998
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:48,630
print and it was UFO universes a

999
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:50,250
newsstand magazine and it's not a

1000
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:54,480
scientific journal by any means but poor

1001
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:57,330
Antonia emmaus poor Antonio who næss

1002
00:48:01,100 --> 00:47:58,650
took a little bit of flak over that

1003
00:48:03,020 --> 00:48:01,110
because he supported it as being

1004
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:03,030
legitimate because it came from a

1005
00:48:09,329 --> 00:48:06,720
credible source so that's one alien that

1006
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:09,339
we quickly

1007
00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:11,049
it could say that was not really an

1008
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:12,849
extraterrestrial then we had Ralph

1009
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,190
flails a little a mummy that he took out

1010
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:17,440
from behind the counter at the Outer

1011
00:48:23,489 --> 00:48:20,819
Space Museum up there in Browntown and

1012
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:23,499
that one of course was what we call a

1013
00:48:32,089 --> 00:48:29,200
roadside attraction a delicate and and

1014
00:48:34,469 --> 00:48:32,099
you can find these roadside attraction

1015
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:34,479
you can find the these roadside

1016
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:37,210
attractions are all over the country if

1017
00:48:42,209 --> 00:48:39,369
you are like me and you travel around

1018
00:48:45,479 --> 00:48:42,219
and you like to stop in at little odd

1019
00:48:50,579 --> 00:48:45,489
places along the highway you will find

1020
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,589
all kinds of mummified creatures my god

1021
00:48:55,049 --> 00:48:53,200
there are mermaids whoa look at this you

1022
00:48:56,969 --> 00:48:55,059
talk about Ray Santilli in his alien

1023
00:48:58,469 --> 00:48:56,979
autopsy he got people including

1024
00:49:00,450 --> 00:48:58,479
scientists and people in the movie

1025
00:49:02,099 --> 00:49:00,460
industry to say this has to be an

1026
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:02,109
extraterrestrial or it's a good chance

1027
00:49:06,809 --> 00:49:05,170
as an extraterrestrial because you could

1028
00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:06,819
not duplicate this without spending a

1029
00:49:10,410 --> 00:49:08,140
lot of money well that's nonsense

1030
00:49:13,259 --> 00:49:10,420
because I know teenagers who are 17 and

1031
00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:13,269
18 years old who have better aliens in

1032
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:14,950
their basement that they could have

1033
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:17,890
bought forward so and then there was the

1034
00:49:25,289 --> 00:49:21,089
alien bodies that was found in a cave in

1035
00:49:28,769 --> 00:49:25,299
my jorge martine in puerto rico and then

1036
00:49:31,049 --> 00:49:28,779
jaime moose son had the mayor pecker

1037
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:31,059
Mahopac alien that was caught in a trap

1038
00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:33,729
which I actually went to Toronto to be

1039
00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:36,190
on the William Shatner show to say you

1040
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:37,630
could not have possibly been an

1041
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,089
extraterrestrial but maybe it was a jinn

1042
00:49:45,269 --> 00:49:42,400
so there you go

1043
00:49:48,479 --> 00:49:45,279
speaking speaking of jinn let us let

1044
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,489
it's time for a break and tan and we can

1045
00:49:52,829 --> 00:49:50,079
it we can have a jinn and then we'll

1046
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,839
come back and talk to our two guests

1047
00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:55,359
this evening Peter Robbins and Nick

1048
00:50:01,440 --> 00:49:57,880
Redford and down in Miami where he's

1049
00:50:04,229 --> 00:50:01,450
sweating it out is angel and this is Tim

1050
00:50:16,349 --> 00:50:04,239
Beck Lee and we'll be back in just a few

1051
00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:21,339
it's unraveling secrets and you know you

1052
00:50:26,050 --> 00:50:24,080
can hear you could almost hear my heart

1053
00:50:29,140 --> 00:50:26,060
fluttering well maybe it's because I've

1054
00:50:32,170 --> 00:50:29,150
got a pacemaker but it's also because we

1055
00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:32,180
have tonight with us two of my favorite

1056
00:50:37,690 --> 00:50:35,060
all-time ufologist these are the guys

1057
00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:37,700
that I like to pony up with and hang out

1058
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:40,790
with when I'm not doing this radio show

1059
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:43,400
or somebody else's radio show or some TV

1060
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:45,710
show because actually I was just on the

1061
00:50:51,130 --> 00:50:48,010
Travel Channel on two episodes of

1062
00:50:54,730 --> 00:50:51,140
mysteries in the national parks one on

1063
00:50:57,250 --> 00:50:54,740
Joshua Tree and one on Hawaii and you

1064
00:51:00,280 --> 00:50:57,260
know I was the one on Joshua Tree was

1065
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,290
very good they had the family of the

1066
00:51:05,710 --> 00:51:02,000
descendants of George Van Tassel and

1067
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:05,720
they visited the the integratron and I

1068
00:51:09,790 --> 00:51:07,730
was on for about 10 minutes and as you

1069
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:09,800
guys know in in one of these you know

1070
00:51:15,130 --> 00:51:12,170
History Channel or Travel Channel shows

1071
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:15,140
to be on more than 30 seconds at a clip

1072
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:17,210
it's like something that you could

1073
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:18,890
actually look forward to him because

1074
00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:20,060
most of the time you're in and you're

1075
00:51:24,550 --> 00:51:21,740
out and you're lucky if you get your

1076
00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:24,560
name stuck under your your face there so

1077
00:51:28,210 --> 00:51:26,359
it was a good episode and I'm sure that

1078
00:51:30,250 --> 00:51:28,220
it's going to be repeated many times but

1079
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:30,260
we've got Peter Robbins and we got Nick

1080
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:31,910
reffered and you know Peter you were

1081
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:34,400
telling us during the the break what's

1082
00:51:37,780 --> 00:51:35,930
your what you've got planned that you're

1083
00:51:49,930 --> 00:51:37,790
actually headed down to Roswell with

1084
00:51:51,970 --> 00:51:49,940
some more slides but I have I have

1085
00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:51,980
slides I can lend you oh well that's

1086
00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:55,849
fine and they will be Roswell slides

1087
00:52:00,190 --> 00:51:58,070
because I will be in Roswell back in

1088
00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:00,200
July and looking very much forward to it

1089
00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:03,380
okay let me jump in here and relate a

1090
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:06,020
story as a passionate historian of the

1091
00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:09,010
city of New York the great PT Barnum

1092
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:12,440
going back to about the Civil War had a

1093
00:52:18,609 --> 00:52:15,290
Museum of curiosities on lower Broadway

1094
00:52:21,970 --> 00:52:18,619
and that is where he made his first real

1095
00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:21,980
killing one of the exhibits that caused

1096
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:26,140
how shall I say a great deal of in

1097
00:52:31,550 --> 00:52:28,710
conflict consternation

1098
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:31,560
a certain amount of resentment was a

1099
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:35,250
mermaid and for an extra nickel you

1100
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:37,410
could be ushered into a room and they're

1101
00:52:43,310 --> 00:52:40,650
in the glass case was the mermaid which

1102
00:52:46,339 --> 00:52:43,320
was of course the top of a monkey sewed

1103
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:46,349
to the bottom of a fish and people that

1104
00:52:50,329 --> 00:52:47,700
saw it some of them did see the

1105
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:50,339
stitching and they became cross and they

1106
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:52,380
wanted to take they wanted their nickel

1107
00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:54,180
back yeah they didn't want their nickel

1108
00:53:00,380 --> 00:52:57,510
back but being the genius that he was he

1109
00:53:02,089 --> 00:53:00,390
created a distraction which was as they

1110
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:02,099
were about to get really involved in

1111
00:53:08,839 --> 00:53:04,710
getting caustic they saw a sign which

1112
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:08,849
said this way to the egress and not

1113
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:11,609
knowing what an egress is they headed

1114
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,730
for it and a [\h__\h] is I believe based

1115
00:53:20,060 --> 00:53:17,520
Latin word for an exit and they went

1116
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:20,070
through the door to the egress and the

1117
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:21,780
door closed behind them and they were

1118
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:24,300
out in the street without their nickel

1119
00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:26,280
after having seen the monkey fish

1120
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:30,390
mermaid and there's there's a lesson

1121
00:53:35,530 --> 00:53:33,240
that for all of us now going on to

1122
00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:35,540
another serious subject I was

1123
00:53:44,780 --> 00:53:39,270
remembering that Tim and I go way back I

1124
00:53:48,609 --> 00:53:44,790
think we met in 1847 or there abouts and

1125
00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:48,619
being lifelong New Yorkers pretty much

1126
00:53:54,410 --> 00:53:51,150
once the friendship was established it

1127
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:54,420
was thick as thieves and we get together

1128
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:56,220
we get together at least twice a year

1129
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:00,540
for Indian food not only that but for

1130
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:04,170
most of my sister shows at CBGB's and it

1131
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:08,609
was a time where well how shall I say no

1132
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:10,290
I won't even say it because it's

1133
00:54:14,690 --> 00:54:11,790
completely illegal and we'll get

1134
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:14,700
arrested in the time machine but we

1135
00:54:20,570 --> 00:54:16,920
really connected for the first time in

1136
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:20,580
my memory on a very wonderful drive back

1137
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:24,240
from Hamilton New Jersey where Pat

1138
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:26,760
Market ilio used to have the

1139
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,460
International UFO Congress event before

1140
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:35,280
there was a real Internet in a motel

1141
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:38,250
there and we were trading stories on the

1142
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,650
way back and you told a story it was you

1143
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:42,420
me Antonio a couple of

1144
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,460
people in the car I started to laugh so

1145
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,319
hard I almost wet myself and you're

1146
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:48,720
doing a completely deadpan because you

1147
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:51,690
are in encyclopedia of every weird bit

1148
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:53,849
of minutia and some of it actually

1149
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:56,099
proving not to be completely authentic

1150
00:55:00,620 --> 00:54:58,290
ever associated with the subject of UFOs

1151
00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:00,630
go figure these things happen and it was

1152
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,260
a story about the alien pancake is it

1153
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:06,720
possible they'd mind you're out of mind

1154
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:09,000
you may still remember that story but

1155
00:55:13,789 --> 00:55:10,500
that's that's a famous story and it

1156
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:13,799
really well there we go then please yes

1157
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:18,450
it's Joe Symington he was a farmer out

1158
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:23,910
of Wisconsin one morning he he he was

1159
00:55:28,579 --> 00:55:25,380
got he had gotten up and he was

1160
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:28,589
preparing to fix himself breakfast and

1161
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:30,569
he was standing by the kitchen sink I

1162
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:35,520
guess which overlooked his back front

1163
00:55:41,059 --> 00:55:38,130
porch or again he lived in a rural area

1164
00:55:42,980 --> 00:55:41,069
and he notices something sitting there

1165
00:55:45,260 --> 00:55:42,990
you know a little bit further out than

1166
00:55:47,390 --> 00:55:45,270
the front lawn and it's glistening in

1167
00:55:49,819 --> 00:55:47,400
the Sun so he says what the heck is this

1168
00:55:51,859 --> 00:55:49,829
is the you know is it a car some type of

1169
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:51,869
vehicle that he's never seen before so

1170
00:55:59,420 --> 00:55:55,770
he goes out and there's this egg-shaped

1171
00:56:02,329 --> 00:55:59,430
object there and apparently a ramp

1172
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:02,339
lowers down out of the craft and he

1173
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:06,420
makes eye contact with these beings now

1174
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:08,010
I don't remember how he described him

1175
00:56:12,049 --> 00:56:09,660
but I think they were fairly human left

1176
00:56:14,170 --> 00:56:12,059
and looking I they would be the the

1177
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,180
Nordics are pretty close to Nordics and

1178
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:16,319
he wanted to know what they were doing

1179
00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:19,260
and basically they either motioned to

1180
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:21,480
him or told him telepathically that they

1181
00:56:25,940 --> 00:56:24,450
were cooking so I believe he went up the

1182
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:25,950
ramp he went inside the ship or

1183
00:56:30,349 --> 00:56:27,780
regardless when he went into the cramp

1184
00:56:33,380 --> 00:56:30,359
or not but crap did not they asked him

1185
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:33,390
if he wanted a have some breakfast and

1186
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:37,619
they gave him a couple of pancakes or

1187
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:41,420
their own their own I guess a brand of

1188
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,010
bran slave-based pancakes whatever it

1189
00:56:50,329 --> 00:56:46,799
was yes yes and he took them and he said

1190
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:50,339
they were kind of like cardboard but he

1191
00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:52,650
still had theirs there is a youtube if

1192
00:57:00,359 --> 00:56:57,569
you type in you know pan UFO pancake

1193
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:00,369
your phone thank you so do you what you

1194
00:57:05,279 --> 00:57:02,529
will see him you will see him holding up

1195
00:57:06,930 --> 00:57:05,289
the the pancake and I understand that

1196
00:57:08,970 --> 00:57:06,940
one of them is actually talking about

1197
00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:08,980
Roswell aliens in a glass case I

1198
00:57:14,609 --> 00:57:11,980
understand that in the cafeteria at

1199
00:57:17,490 --> 00:57:14,619
wright-patterson Air Force Base there is

1200
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:17,500
actually or there was at one point a UFO

1201
00:57:22,349 --> 00:57:20,170
display and on display in this glass

1202
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:22,359
case next to the Roswell mummies perhaps

1203
00:57:28,829 --> 00:57:25,690
what was the what was one of Jo

1204
00:57:31,529 --> 00:57:28,839
Symington pancakes no so it's still

1205
00:57:33,269 --> 00:57:31,539
there for all to see but you know there

1206
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:33,279
have been other instances of pewter at

1207
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,640
where people yeah where people have been

1208
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:38,079
handed that's gonna be hungry will be

1209
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:40,809
starving hey weren't you having pink eye

1210
00:57:45,509 --> 00:57:43,089
huh now that takes high hat to a whole a

1211
00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:45,519
whole different level for real for real

1212
00:57:51,450 --> 00:57:49,660
but anyway that's the just say something

1213
00:57:53,789 --> 00:57:51,460
Tim just to it it just not do to

1214
00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:53,799
interject there's actually a really good

1215
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:55,630
brand new book out which is literally

1216
00:58:00,930 --> 00:57:58,240
came out like a week ago published by

1217
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:00,940
Patrick wages and any state is anomalous

1218
00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:03,849
books and in call the Trojan faced by

1219
00:58:08,759 --> 00:58:06,220
Joshua Cochin I'm about halfway through

1220
00:58:11,970 --> 00:58:08,769
radio this is they taught me to love

1221
00:58:14,999 --> 00:58:11,980
it's a really good book it's a and it

1222
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:15,009
looks at the entire spectrum of history

1223
00:58:21,299 --> 00:58:17,950
of reports of sort of otherworldly

1224
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,309
entities giving people food and drink

1225
00:58:27,870 --> 00:58:24,640
and it covers everything from aliens to

1226
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,880
sort of 500 year old reports of super

1227
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:29,680
so-called fairies and the little people

1228
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,910
and and he draws some really intriguing

1229
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:35,440
analogies it carnival in that sense it's

1230
00:58:40,829 --> 00:58:38,799
sort of some sort of territory that Jack

1231
00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:40,839
ballets messages of deception and

1232
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:43,660
passports Argonia cover and he talks

1233
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:46,900
about the food and the drink angle it

1234
00:58:51,569 --> 00:58:48,490
sort of split into different angles food

1235
00:58:55,289 --> 00:58:51,579
drink and people give him pills they

1236
00:58:58,019 --> 00:58:55,299
often the drink or the peel is to

1237
00:58:59,730 --> 00:58:58,029
initiate or to end the experience and he

1238
00:59:02,160 --> 00:58:59,740
has some interesting theories as to why

1239
00:59:06,029 --> 00:59:02,170
this is and the idea that these events

1240
00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:06,039
may be sort of illusory to allow contact

1241
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:08,680
to occur like religions makan tap but

1242
00:59:11,790 --> 00:59:09,760
the you know the

1243
00:59:13,980 --> 00:59:11,800
the issue of sort of passing food he's

1244
00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:13,990
more of like a you know he's like a

1245
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:16,030
visionary thing but I mean it's a really

1246
00:59:21,060 --> 00:59:17,890
good book and he covers all the major

1247
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:21,070
cases like whitley strieber and a lot of

1248
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:24,400
other Appetit abductees being given sort

1249
00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:27,250
of bitter taste in liquids during the

1250
00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:29,350
course of these experiences and this I

1251
00:59:34,260 --> 00:59:31,660
mean I'm not just saying this but I

1252
00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:34,270
think this book be sort of like the

1253
00:59:38,940 --> 00:59:37,060
definitive study of you know people who

1254
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:38,950
claim to have been forced to Train

1255
00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:41,680
liquids or eat food and he covers it in

1256
00:59:46,860 --> 00:59:44,230
a really cool way and actually yes I'll

1257
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:46,870
be like like something akin to passports

1258
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:49,330
of a girl near in terms of its important

1259
00:59:55,170 --> 00:59:51,250
importance and also you know the angles

1260
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,180
he covers and so on what a project what

1261
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:58,240
a great idea you can't really go but you

1262
01:00:01,890 --> 00:59:59,920
could go back to the time of the Bible I

1263
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:01,900
guess and include the the manor that

1264
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:02,710
fell from the sky

1265
01:00:09,020 --> 01:00:05,920
mmm maybe maybe that cause people to

1266
01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:09,030
hallucinate in a manner of speaking

1267
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:12,280
possibly any anyway send me a link on

1268
01:00:15,690 --> 01:00:13,690
that because I certainly like to have

1269
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:15,700
the the author on to discuss this

1270
01:00:20,580 --> 01:00:17,890
because that's okay yeah yeah it's a

1271
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:20,590
it's we need more literature like that

1272
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:23,110
you know on the on a topic and

1273
01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:25,450
unfortunately it's probably even though

1274
01:00:28,140 --> 01:00:26,560
you and I like the book it's probably

1275
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:28,150
not one of the ones that will sell that

1276
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:30,370
well because people got to be you know

1277
01:00:34,770 --> 01:00:32,710
really into the time to search it out

1278
01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:34,780
you know I went to Amazon the other day

1279
01:00:39,780 --> 01:00:37,660
and typed in UFO and they've got about

1280
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:39,790
fourteen thousand books on the subject

1281
01:00:45,690 --> 01:00:44,050
good lord well you know and ghosts were

1282
01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:45,700
like eight or nine thousand I was

1283
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:46,990
surprised I thought they might be a

1284
01:00:51,450 --> 01:00:49,690
little bit more than UFOs even and the

1285
01:00:53,310 --> 01:00:51,460
total number of books on Amazon was like

1286
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:53,320
four million three hundred thousand and

1287
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:55,810
in the last thirty days about five

1288
01:01:01,400 --> 01:00:58,210
hundred thousand ninety days about five

1289
01:01:08,130 --> 01:01:01,410
hundred thousand books have been added

1290
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:08,140
so how how is one ever to ever to find

1291
01:01:13,530 --> 01:01:11,440
any any title it's a it's almost

1292
01:01:15,780 --> 01:01:13,540
impossible the these days I mean you

1293
01:01:18,210 --> 01:01:15,790
really got a huff and puff and sell them

1294
01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:18,220
like Pat market ilio used to do out of

1295
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:19,990
the back of his station wagon what do

1296
01:01:26,329 --> 01:01:22,319
you mean used to

1297
01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:26,339
I saw last month baby is he still there

1298
01:01:32,499 --> 01:01:29,400
yeah yeah okay he's actually in all

1299
01:01:35,809 --> 01:01:32,509
truthfulness he was telling them in the

1300
01:01:37,999 --> 01:01:35,819
in the hall for the conference but he

1301
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:38,009
still does have the mister you have the

1302
01:01:42,849 --> 01:01:40,890
dr. UFO license plate there you go yeah

1303
01:01:45,859 --> 01:01:42,859
he used to come to my conferences and

1304
01:01:47,509 --> 01:01:45,869
beat-beat having to pay the little small

1305
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:47,519
fee for the vendors and set up in the

1306
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:49,410
parking lot but he was only selling the

1307
01:01:52,849 --> 01:01:51,569
books for twenty-five and fifty cents

1308
01:01:55,699 --> 01:01:52,859
except if you had something that was

1309
01:01:57,709 --> 01:01:55,709
really rare and you know he used to let

1310
01:01:59,689 --> 01:01:57,719
me hit DVDs of some of the lectures and

1311
01:02:02,569 --> 01:01:59,699
say you know put him up on YouTube yeah

1312
01:02:05,209 --> 01:02:02,579
and I still want to make her my favorite

1313
01:02:09,620 --> 01:02:05,219
characters in the whole got what a

1314
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:09,630
positive good guy character we met we

1315
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:12,329
actually had him on the on the program

1316
01:02:18,459 --> 01:02:16,049
it was the other show that I was at

1317
01:02:22,569 --> 01:02:18,469
co-hosted with Mike Mont and Tim Buckley

1318
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:22,579
with the Tim Schwartz once a month and

1319
01:02:27,469 --> 01:02:25,410
he's a great guest and knows knows the

1320
01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:27,479
subject very well too and he travels

1321
01:02:33,380 --> 01:02:31,169
around with his little UFO Museum and

1322
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:33,390
Art Show and all of that and it's a

1323
01:02:38,179 --> 01:02:36,569
great great great time and you know I

1324
01:02:40,249 --> 01:02:38,189
guess this is actually going to be the

1325
01:02:44,029 --> 01:02:40,259
summer of UFO at conferences because

1326
01:02:45,169 --> 01:02:44,039
down in Cleveland Ohio for the first

1327
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:45,179
time in many years

1328
01:02:52,370 --> 01:02:49,380
it's going to be the 51st annual meeting

1329
01:02:54,949 --> 01:02:52,380
of the Congress of scientific ufologist

1330
01:02:57,319 --> 01:02:54,959
or the national UFO conference whatever

1331
01:02:59,719 --> 01:02:57,329
equality and well that we haven't

1332
01:03:01,969 --> 01:02:59,729
actually met in probably seven or eight

1333
01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:01,979
years of course Jim Mosely passed away

1334
01:03:07,459 --> 01:03:05,400
and the gal Lisa who took it over in Los

1335
01:03:11,089 --> 01:03:07,469
Angeles who promised that she was going

1336
01:03:13,819 --> 01:03:11,099
to continue it on did it for three years

1337
01:03:15,620 --> 01:03:13,829
and finally probably realize it's a heck

1338
01:03:18,049 --> 01:03:15,630
of a lot of work to put on one of these

1339
01:03:19,579 --> 01:03:18,059
shows and I know because I did it you

1340
01:03:21,949 --> 01:03:19,589
know for a quite a number of years

1341
01:03:24,769 --> 01:03:21,959
gosh yeah every year I would get

1342
01:03:26,449 --> 01:03:24,779
bushwhacked happy and now unfortunately

1343
01:03:29,209 --> 01:03:26,459
some of the people that work with me

1344
01:03:31,189 --> 01:03:29,219
they have you know are deceased or

1345
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:31,199
they've gone on and had families you got

1346
01:03:34,459 --> 01:03:33,089
to devote a lot of time to this it's not

1347
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:34,469
like something you decide over the

1348
01:03:37,859 --> 01:03:35,680
weekend I'm gonna put

1349
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:37,869
you know a conference and you call up a

1350
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:39,609
couple of people and expect to have a

1351
01:03:43,740 --> 01:03:41,290
crowd there because that doesn't happen

1352
01:03:46,829 --> 01:03:43,750
I I would spend six months promoting

1353
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:46,839
these things go Haren and $10,000 I

1354
01:03:50,730 --> 01:03:48,690
never spent less than $10,000

1355
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:50,740
advertising and promoting a conference

1356
01:03:55,950 --> 01:03:52,690
and and sometimes I would make it back

1357
01:03:59,370 --> 01:03:55,960
and sometimes I would lose the money or

1358
01:04:01,440 --> 01:03:59,380
break even but anyway it's the 19th

1359
01:04:02,970 --> 01:04:01,450
through the 22nd in Cleveland Ohio you

1360
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:02,980
can just google it national UFO

1361
01:04:06,690 --> 01:04:05,290
conference and I understand you're going

1362
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:06,700
down the Roswell to give a talk around

1363
01:04:12,359 --> 01:04:08,079
the same time and you're involved with

1364
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:12,369
Travis Walton now well I I had the honor

1365
01:04:17,870 --> 01:04:15,130
of being an Associate Producer on a new

1366
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:17,880
documentary about Travis it is called

1367
01:04:24,089 --> 01:04:20,770
Travis the true story of Travis Walton

1368
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:24,099
it's 90 minutes there is a version that

1369
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:27,849
is making the rounds now but I'd have to

1370
01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:32,079
say it's like 97 percent there there are

1371
01:04:36,210 --> 01:04:34,390
a few segments to add it will be

1372
01:04:40,140 --> 01:04:36,220
available commercially later this year

1373
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:40,150
and it has brought us together in a way

1374
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:42,430
that I've been really pleased about

1375
01:04:48,299 --> 01:04:44,950
because like anybody in the field I have

1376
01:04:50,430 --> 01:04:48,309
tremendous admiration for Travis he he

1377
01:04:55,170 --> 01:04:50,440
is one of the greatest spokespeople we

1378
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:55,180
ever have had his event is one of the

1379
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:58,210
best documented and I think unlike the

1380
01:05:03,299 --> 01:05:01,119
film which was good in places but was

1381
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:03,309
very problematic in the way that the

1382
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:06,160
whole on board sequence was handled and

1383
01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:08,650
I now know why that happened

1384
01:05:13,650 --> 01:05:10,390
this tells the true story and it

1385
01:05:16,349 --> 01:05:13,660
balances the absolute humanity of the

1386
01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:16,359
thing with the science we were lucky

1387
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:19,150
enough to have the full cooperation of

1388
01:05:26,940 --> 01:05:24,390
most of the guys that he was with the

1389
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:26,950
gentleman who did all of the polygraph

1390
01:05:31,530 --> 01:05:29,680
tests now in his 80s and retired sheriff

1391
01:05:34,289 --> 01:05:31,540
Gillespie also in his 80s now and

1392
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:34,299
retired played wonderfully well in the

1393
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:36,130
film fire in the sky by the late great

1394
01:05:41,309 --> 01:05:39,369
James Garner and we're going to be doing

1395
01:05:43,230 --> 01:05:41,319
we've been doing screenings of it around

1396
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:43,240
the country I wasn't the one you had

1397
01:05:46,170 --> 01:05:45,730
there yeah yeah we did the one that's

1398
01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:46,180
right

1399
01:05:55,380 --> 01:05:49,150
but we've got one coming up in Memphis

1400
01:05:57,630 --> 01:05:55,390
on who July first I think and then that

1401
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:57,640
weekend of July 4th will be screening it

1402
01:06:01,470 --> 01:06:00,160
again in Roswell where I'm really

1403
01:06:04,499 --> 01:06:01,480
pleased to be returning for the first

1404
01:06:05,759 --> 01:06:04,509
time in a couple of years and also for

1405
01:06:07,259 --> 01:06:05,769
the first time going to get out to the

1406
01:06:10,410 --> 01:06:07,269
crash site on this one which I've been

1407
01:06:13,859 --> 01:06:10,420
looking forward to but the other aspect

1408
01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:13,869
of it is that come this November guys it

1409
01:06:19,650 --> 01:06:15,910
is and I think it's November 5th

1410
01:06:24,180 --> 01:06:19,660
it is the 40th anniversary of Travis

1411
01:06:26,579 --> 01:06:24,190
Waltons experience and last year a

1412
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:26,589
number of wonderful volunteers put a

1413
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:29,410
tremendous amount to work into creating

1414
01:06:35,759 --> 01:06:32,410
what we call the first annual sky fire

1415
01:06:38,339 --> 01:06:35,769
UFO summit and this year it's going to

1416
01:06:41,069 --> 01:06:38,349
be amped up considerably that might take

1417
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:41,079
us one actually it's gonna be great it's

1418
01:06:44,970 --> 01:06:43,359
gonna be historic and part of the full

1419
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:44,980
package even though it comes on the

1420
01:06:49,769 --> 01:06:46,690
Thursday night which I believe is the

1421
01:06:52,349 --> 01:06:49,779
fifth is that for those that have signed

1422
01:06:56,759 --> 01:06:52,359
up for it we are going to take these

1423
01:06:59,069 --> 01:06:56,769
people out to the location at night with

1424
01:07:01,739 --> 01:06:59,079
Travis and we will get to walk the wahoo

1425
01:07:03,269 --> 01:07:01,749
yeah and relive it with him and then

1426
01:07:06,420 --> 01:07:03,279
it's gonna be several days of speakers

1427
01:07:10,579 --> 01:07:06,430
and several events in a very remote part

1428
01:07:14,729 --> 01:07:10,589
of Arizona Travis decided to opt for

1429
01:07:17,579 --> 01:07:14,739
location as close as possible and not

1430
01:07:20,579 --> 01:07:17,589
you know some cushy hotel the fact is

1431
01:07:22,859 --> 01:07:20,589
that I think this is going to be one for

1432
01:07:25,170 --> 01:07:22,869
the books as far as I'm concerned but

1433
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:25,180
I'm really proud I'm proud of my

1434
01:07:31,739 --> 01:07:28,809
involvement in the documentary and again

1435
01:07:33,660 --> 01:07:31,749
you can order it now off of the

1436
01:07:39,089 --> 01:07:33,670
producers website which is called on

1437
01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:39,099
wings comm wings spelled WI ng es but if

1438
01:07:45,749 --> 01:07:41,710
you wait a few months a fully complete

1439
01:07:47,579 --> 01:07:45,759
version which will include a segment

1440
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:47,589
that's being produced or just was

1441
01:07:52,620 --> 01:07:49,890
finished right a couple of weeks ago

1442
01:07:55,950 --> 01:07:52,630
recreating some of his experience on

1443
01:07:58,019 --> 01:07:55,960
board in a more authentic way and I

1444
01:08:00,940 --> 01:07:58,029
should jump in here and just give you a

1445
01:08:04,569 --> 01:08:00,950
two minute

1446
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:04,579
capsule of how it worked out I think you

1447
01:08:08,290 --> 01:08:06,530
guys certainly and a lot of your

1448
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:08,300
listeners Jim have seen the movie fire

1449
01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:10,609
in the sky which has a lot of good stuff

1450
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:12,950
in it I think the strongest part is the

1451
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:15,410
human aspect but when we get on board

1452
01:08:18,729 --> 01:08:17,089
and it's something everybody is

1453
01:08:20,019 --> 01:08:18,739
complaining about and if you read the

1454
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:20,029
book you know it's nonsense

1455
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:22,489
this whole Travis wakes up on the table

1456
01:08:25,900 --> 01:08:24,560
and he's covered with this sticky film

1457
01:08:29,050 --> 01:08:25,910
and he's got a break through it and the

1458
01:08:31,959 --> 01:08:29,060
aliens are really Rottier looking than

1459
01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:31,969
they were the the alien aliens as

1460
01:08:39,249 --> 01:08:35,089
opposed to the humans humanoid ones and

1461
01:08:42,249 --> 01:08:39,259
how did that happen the fact is that it

1462
01:08:46,209 --> 01:08:42,259
was written by Tracy Torme who some

1463
01:08:49,180 --> 01:08:46,219
years before that had written the truth

1464
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:49,190
I thought it was very good a miniseries

1465
01:08:55,450 --> 01:08:51,850
based on Budd Hopkins intruders and

1466
01:08:59,860 --> 01:08:55,460
missing time that starred Mare

1467
01:09:02,140 --> 01:08:59,870
Winningham Richard Crenna you know it

1468
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:02,150
was alone he also was the the creator of

1469
01:09:07,959 --> 01:09:04,730
the show sliders which there was it was

1470
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:07,969
it was a quality production but so this

1471
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:10,000
is the deal the film has been

1472
01:09:14,590 --> 01:09:12,170
green-lighted they've got the budget

1473
01:09:16,510 --> 01:09:14,600
Tracey's written a very good script

1474
01:09:18,729 --> 01:09:16,520
there on location they're filming it

1475
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:18,739
they're employing X number of dozen

1476
01:09:24,970 --> 01:09:21,710
people and it's a go and they get a call

1477
01:09:26,620 --> 01:09:24,980
from the head of the studio now it's a

1478
01:09:27,370 --> 01:09:26,630
name that you may remember because I

1479
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:27,380
sure did

1480
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:30,170
because Brandon Tartikoff was like a

1481
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:32,690
wunderkind over at NBC in fact he was

1482
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,600
the head of NBC as I recall when

1483
01:09:40,689 --> 01:09:38,000
Saturday Night Live kicked in and he got

1484
01:09:44,050 --> 01:09:40,699
a lot of credit for it and he called

1485
01:09:45,809 --> 01:09:44,060
Travis and Tracy and this is out of

1486
01:09:48,579 --> 01:09:45,819
Tracy's mouth last year he gave a

1487
01:09:51,370 --> 01:09:48,589
incredibly interesting talk and he said

1488
01:09:53,769 --> 01:09:51,380
you have got to stop filming and rewrite

1489
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:53,779
that whole on board alien abduction

1490
01:09:59,380 --> 01:09:56,570
sequence I just saw something on CBS

1491
01:10:02,860 --> 01:09:59,390
that was essentially the same thing and

1492
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:02,870
Tracy explained to him that he had

1493
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:06,080
written that because that was the way it

1494
01:10:11,979 --> 01:10:09,050
was and that this was simply another

1495
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:11,989
event that replicated that and that that

1496
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:14,080
was the true story that was authentic

1497
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:15,370
while tartikoff didn't want to hear

1498
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:17,170
anything about it he wanted some new

1499
01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:20,800
kicky new kind of whole alien thing and

1500
01:10:25,260 --> 01:10:23,260
once again they explained to him that

1501
01:10:27,570 --> 01:10:25,270
that would be completely unauthentic

1502
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:27,580
and the fact is that this is the way it

1503
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:29,290
is and you can't make up anything better

1504
01:10:34,980 --> 01:10:32,170
and what he said to them was let me put

1505
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:34,990
it this way in so many words if you do

1506
01:10:39,810 --> 01:10:37,570
not rewrite that to my satisfaction I

1507
01:10:41,490 --> 01:10:39,820
will pull the plug on this the studio

1508
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:41,500
will take the multi-million dollar loss

1509
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:45,520
and you will all be out of work now

1510
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:50,560
it was Travis's idea to go with that

1511
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:52,930
device because one abiding fact of his

1512
01:10:58,890 --> 01:10:55,330
experience on board he could breathe

1513
01:11:01,470 --> 01:10:58,900
there was oxygen but not what we

1514
01:11:04,530 --> 01:11:01,480
experienced it was he felt he was always

1515
01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:04,540
he needed more air that he couldn't get

1516
01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:07,420
enough that it was lower oxygen content

1517
01:11:12,450 --> 01:11:09,400
and it made it gave that claustrophobic

1518
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:12,460
feeling so they used that allegorical

1519
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:15,910
device and that is what happened it was

1520
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:18,370
not an attempt to make it look silly or

1521
01:11:23,940 --> 01:11:21,760
anything it was a studio exec who was an

1522
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,950
idiot and decided that we needed some

1523
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:25,600
new kind of alien thing well tell that

1524
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:27,190
to anybody that's had the experience

1525
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:31,510
anyway that's basically that part of you

1526
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:32,770
know the crazy thing about the whole

1527
01:11:35,550 --> 01:11:34,090
thing is Peter that when you actually

1528
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:35,560
read the book and then you watch the

1529
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:37,840
movie what's in the book is far more

1530
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:41,530
interesting in far more amazing than

1531
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:42,910
what they put in them in the film itself

1532
01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:44,530
the film they just won for like this

1533
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:46,270
kind of like shock value almost have a

1534
01:11:51,930 --> 01:11:50,050
feel is so much better yeah for me too

1535
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:51,940
the thing that really worked about the

1536
01:11:58,410 --> 01:11:55,360
film was the human tension for more

1537
01:12:00,510 --> 01:11:58,420
enforcement people the fact that you

1538
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:00,520
know families were shattered around this

1539
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:03,130
that these guys were accused of murder

1540
01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:07,600
that by the time Travis was released and

1541
01:12:12,570 --> 01:12:09,940
left on the road five days later by this

1542
01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:12,580
thing which he had you know he looked up

1543
01:12:18,540 --> 01:12:14,470
he saw it hovering above him 50 feet or

1544
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:18,550
so and then it was gone that the cop you

1545
01:12:23,310 --> 01:12:20,730
know if a logger went missing in Arizona

1546
01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:23,320
it ain't gonna make the international

1547
01:12:28,110 --> 01:12:27,160
news however superimpose on that the

1548
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:28,120
logging crew

1549
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,250
contention that you know there was this

1550
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:33,040
UFO incident and that he seems to have

1551
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:35,050
been taken and the law enforcement

1552
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:37,840
people feeling that it was probably more

1553
01:12:41,490 --> 01:12:39,520
likely that these rough-and-tumble guys

1554
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:41,500
you know got into something and

1555
01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:43,210
something terrible happened and one of

1556
01:12:48,930 --> 01:12:45,490
them got killed made the body murder

1557
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:48,940
UFOs alien abduction by the time he

1558
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:51,610
returned this was an international story

1559
01:12:58,590 --> 01:12:54,610
and the tension the attention on him

1560
01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:58,600
began that day around the world and he

1561
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:02,080
was not a classic abductee like my

1562
01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:04,900
sister or so many other people that you

1563
01:13:13,470 --> 01:13:08,620
know populate that that area of

1564
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,480
experience he was a macho guy who you

1565
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,280
know by his own admission he he jumped

1566
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:16,960
out of the cab he wanted a better look

1567
01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:18,610
you know he was the one who was gonna

1568
01:13:23,190 --> 01:13:20,440
get closest to it the other guys were

1569
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:23,200
freaking out get back in and he realized

1570
01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:26,590
he had made a very bad judgment call he

1571
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:28,750
was a right place at the exact wrong

1572
01:13:36,690 --> 01:13:34,320
moment and that is the basis but yeah

1573
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:36,700
one of the things and everybody should

1574
01:13:42,150 --> 01:13:39,250
have fire in the sky in their UFO

1575
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,160
library he is he had one year of college

1576
01:13:46,740 --> 01:13:44,800
he's a totally untrained writer and no

1577
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:46,750
ghostwriter he wrote that whole damn

1578
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:50,170
book himself and it is first-rate I I'm

1579
01:13:55,290 --> 01:13:52,270
the biggest compliment I could ever give

1580
01:13:57,780 --> 01:13:55,300
Larry Warren my my friends soul brother

1581
01:13:59,520 --> 01:13:57,790
and co-author on our British bestseller

1582
01:14:02,160 --> 01:13:59,530
the left that he skate about the

1583
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:02,170
Rendlesham forest incident is that he

1584
01:14:06,540 --> 01:14:03,850
wrote his whole part I've had people

1585
01:14:09,060 --> 01:14:06,550
come up to me over the years and you

1586
01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:09,070
know try to buttonhole me and get me to

1587
01:14:12,330 --> 01:14:10,540
say oh you wrote it for Larry or

1588
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:12,340
something which I find extremely

1589
01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:14,800
insulting witnesses can write their own

1590
01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:17,500
stuff just fine and there have been a

1591
01:14:22,110 --> 01:14:19,030
number of witness accounts that are

1592
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:22,120
superb i I think that Debbie Jordan

1593
01:14:27,420 --> 01:14:25,090
Coble who is the central figure in Budd

1594
01:14:30,090 --> 01:14:27,430
Hopkins intruders case did a brilliant

1595
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:30,100
job as well with her sister in a

1596
01:14:34,620 --> 01:14:31,810
follow-up book to intruders called

1597
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:34,630
intruders the story continues but you're

1598
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:37,690
right Tim it's a wonderful book and it

1599
01:14:41,419 --> 01:14:39,970
really is well written boom again there

1600
01:14:44,510 --> 01:14:41,429
are parts of the balance

1601
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,520
but that book is awesome what well you

1602
01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:46,800
know like father like son

1603
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:49,320
because in my book that we just came out

1604
01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:50,610
with him we're gonna have you tell the

1605
01:14:54,169 --> 01:14:52,199
the story in a few minutes about your

1606
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:54,179
sister and your experience the Shirley

1607
01:14:59,930 --> 01:14:56,610
MacLaine meets the Pelagians I have the

1608
01:15:04,130 --> 01:14:59,940
incident where a Tracy tore Mays father

1609
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:04,140
Mel Torme the the singer had an

1610
01:15:10,939 --> 01:15:07,800
experience yes yes head Enix had an

1611
01:15:13,310 --> 01:15:10,949
experience while walking his dog through

1612
01:15:15,649 --> 01:15:13,320
Central Park many many years ago where

1613
01:15:18,110 --> 01:15:15,659
he saw I forget whether it was one or

1614
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:18,120
two bright objects in the sky and I

1615
01:15:25,130 --> 01:15:20,940
remember meeting at Tracy at Torme and

1616
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:25,140
he told me he said you know my father

1617
01:15:30,860 --> 01:15:27,690
said that was the most accurate article

1618
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:30,870
that was ever written about him and his

1619
01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:34,530
tire in his entire career which kind of

1620
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:37,140
improved you know proves that the The

1621
01:15:41,390 --> 01:15:39,090
Inquirer well you know people think well

1622
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,400
yellow journalism and the Enquirer made

1623
01:15:44,810 --> 01:15:42,960
up all the stuff or they made up quotes

1624
01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:44,820
well you know they didn't they were the

1625
01:15:48,290 --> 01:15:46,860
only publication over the years that I

1626
01:15:49,070 --> 01:15:48,300
can think of that actually had a

1627
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:49,080
fact-checker

1628
01:15:52,850 --> 01:15:51,449
they would want me if I did an interview

1629
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,860
with somebody they wouldn't want a copy

1630
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:54,719
of the tape and they would actually call

1631
01:15:59,890 --> 01:15:57,360
that person up and get the verification

1632
01:16:03,169 --> 01:15:59,900
that I didn't just make it up you know a

1633
01:16:04,910 --> 01:16:03,179
out of my head you know so anyway I want

1634
01:16:06,620 --> 01:16:04,920
I want you to in a few minutes tell the

1635
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,630
story about your experience with your

1636
01:16:12,290 --> 01:16:09,120
sister Helen wheels but I want to get

1637
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:12,300
back to Nick for a minute Nick are you

1638
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:14,250
planning any talks coming up in the near

1639
01:16:19,850 --> 01:16:17,250
and in the next month or so yeah I'm

1640
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:19,860
actually speaking next weekend at the

1641
01:16:25,610 --> 01:16:22,560
concerts in the desert covered in Joshua

1642
01:16:26,899 --> 01:16:25,620
Tree and what I'm speaking about he's an

1643
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,909
area actually doesn't get covered up

1644
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:28,800
much it's all the Freedom of Information

1645
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,810
Act files that have been released um

1646
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:32,880
Pete on the contactees they don't

1647
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:35,010
realize how extensive these FBI files

1648
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:38,610
are as far as on Adamski Van Tassel

1649
01:16:45,020 --> 01:16:41,040
judge hunt williamson trooper bathroom

1650
01:16:48,830 --> 01:16:45,030
run strangers and also in the UK the

1651
01:16:51,950 --> 01:16:48,840
Aetherius Society and George King and so

1652
01:16:54,740 --> 01:16:51,960
I'm going to be doing a PowerPoint

1653
01:16:56,060 --> 01:16:54,750
presentation on how

1654
01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:56,070
a lot of these were sort of driven by

1655
01:16:59,570 --> 01:16:58,290
the culture of the period the FBI from

1656
01:17:02,270 --> 01:16:59,580
the files you can say they were clearly

1657
01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:02,280
concerned by the fact that a lot of

1658
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:03,750
contactees were saying well that the

1659
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:05,370
space brothers want us to disarm our

1660
01:17:12,110 --> 01:17:08,880
nuclear weapons and etc etc no film no

1661
01:17:23,660 --> 01:17:12,120
money no money system that's right no

1662
01:17:25,850 --> 01:17:23,670
master no medical well Gabriel green ran

1663
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:25,860
gabriel green ran for president if you

1664
01:17:30,650 --> 01:17:27,810
remember right and he was he was the

1665
01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:30,660
head of the the amalgamated Flying

1666
01:17:36,460 --> 01:17:33,480
Saucer Clubs of America that Robert

1667
01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:36,470
Kennedy was actually a member of

1668
01:17:42,170 --> 01:17:40,140
artifact yeah yeah absolutely yeah so is

1669
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,180
there you know and I guess contact in

1670
01:17:49,370 --> 01:17:45,120
the desert has become the largest event

1671
01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:49,380
of its type although back in 1990 we did

1672
01:17:55,610 --> 01:17:52,110
the original contact in the desert we

1673
01:17:58,610 --> 01:17:55,620
had a beautiful hotel and downtown Palm

1674
01:18:01,340 --> 01:17:58,620
Springs and had all of the contactees

1675
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:01,350
including members of most of whom were

1676
01:18:07,550 --> 01:18:03,930
still alive at the time and and we had

1677
01:18:10,150 --> 01:18:07,560
in fact a Van Tassel's Daniel Boone who

1678
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:10,160
tells this great story about how he was

1679
01:18:14,300 --> 01:18:13,110
going to the outhouse one one night and

1680
01:18:16,250 --> 01:18:14,310
of course in the middle of the desert so

1681
01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:16,260
he didn't have to put on his jeans or

1682
01:18:20,180 --> 01:18:17,790
his overalls and he went out into the

1683
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:20,190
desert buckets naked to go down to the

1684
01:18:27,620 --> 01:18:23,360
the outhouse and here come the aliens

1685
01:18:30,110 --> 01:18:27,630
inviting him aboard the craft so any

1686
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:30,120
nothing to wear that there you go I mean

1687
01:18:39,740 --> 01:18:37,290
if I get naked some of the planets they

1688
01:18:41,300 --> 01:18:39,750
are nudists well it's like you know that

1689
01:18:43,490 --> 01:18:41,310
they don't wear clothes and you know we

1690
01:18:45,860 --> 01:18:43,500
don't make a big deal out of it so

1691
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:45,870
anyway yeah besides Daniel Boone's beard

1692
01:18:57,740 --> 01:18:46,710
is so long

1693
01:18:59,810 --> 01:18:57,750
it covers if you saw if you saw the the

1694
01:19:01,730 --> 01:18:59,820
Travel Channel program that I was on a

1695
01:19:03,470 --> 01:19:01,740
couple of weeks ago Daniel Boone is

1696
01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:03,480
sitting there his beard has gotten

1697
01:19:07,730 --> 01:19:05,670
longer and it's gotten wider and the

1698
01:19:08,569 --> 01:19:07,740
hair mat comes right down to it and he

1699
01:19:12,799 --> 01:19:08,579
said there was a base

1700
01:19:14,959 --> 01:19:12,809
we'll cap with the Van Tassel's grandson

1701
01:19:18,139 --> 01:19:14,969
right behind the integrity on that they

1702
01:19:20,089 --> 01:19:18,149
don't have the key to because we know

1703
01:19:22,369 --> 01:19:20,099
you know why because they were Van

1704
01:19:23,899 --> 01:19:22,379
Tassel was married twice and so this is

1705
01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:23,909
a different you know a different spouse

1706
01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:26,729
and you know the the other spot I guess

1707
01:19:29,869 --> 01:19:28,169
had the integra tied and they sold it

1708
01:19:31,699 --> 01:19:29,879
and that's all but you know they're

1709
01:19:32,270 --> 01:19:31,709
they're still right back there you can't

1710
01:19:34,099 --> 01:19:32,280
miss them

1711
01:19:37,579 --> 01:19:34,109
yeah and here they aren't but here they

1712
01:19:40,909 --> 01:19:37,589
are on TV and his long white beard good

1713
01:19:42,799 --> 01:19:40,919
old good old Daniel Boone so anyway

1714
01:19:45,409 --> 01:19:42,809
contacting the debt we had this contact

1715
01:19:47,810 --> 01:19:45,419
in the desert and it was a great show we

1716
01:19:49,759 --> 01:19:47,820
had Robert Weiss who did the of course

1717
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:49,769
of a the Earth Stood Still he was our

1718
01:19:56,389 --> 01:19:53,209
love to meet him he keynote speaker

1719
01:19:59,379 --> 01:19:56,399
unfortunately we had the event in July

1720
01:20:02,179 --> 01:19:59,389
and in July in Palm Springs it's a

1721
01:20:03,589 --> 01:20:02,189
hundred degrees and we did not we did

1722
01:20:04,819 --> 01:20:03,599
not have a great day Turner I mean we

1723
01:20:06,379 --> 01:20:04,829
had a couple of hundred people but it

1724
01:20:08,959 --> 01:20:06,389
should have been much more and we got

1725
01:20:11,569 --> 01:20:08,969
all the fits facilities in the hotel for

1726
01:20:12,679 --> 01:20:11,579
free because it was a weekend where they

1727
01:20:14,779 --> 01:20:12,689
knew they couldn't rent it to anybody

1728
01:20:17,029 --> 01:20:14,789
else and that happens all the time

1729
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:17,039
yeah well it does actually because that

1730
01:20:20,929 --> 01:20:19,050
was one of the things now when I first

1731
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,939
started doing conferences I would get

1732
01:20:24,379 --> 01:20:22,800
people from all over the world I mean

1733
01:20:26,509 --> 01:20:24,389
they came from Iceland they came from

1734
01:20:28,849 --> 01:20:26,519
Ireland they came from the Netherlands

1735
01:20:31,099 --> 01:20:28,859
they came from Sweden and and so I would

1736
01:20:33,979 --> 01:20:31,109
work a deal with the hotel hey I'll pack

1737
01:20:35,959 --> 01:20:33,989
your room on a weekend when nobody else

1738
01:20:38,389 --> 01:20:35,969
is in town and you know just give me the

1739
01:20:39,739 --> 01:20:38,399
the facilities and uncharged me and we

1740
01:20:42,349 --> 01:20:39,749
worked with a couple of small home

1741
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:42,359
places in like Mesa in Phoenix Arizona

1742
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,639
and we would pack the place we would

1743
01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:46,800
rent a hundred and ten rooms for the

1744
01:20:50,750 --> 01:20:49,169
hotel harder to do that now because the

1745
01:20:53,060 --> 01:20:50,760
you know you can watch all this on TV

1746
01:20:54,469 --> 01:20:53,070
and you can hear us you don't have to go

1747
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,479
out to see us although I would hope that

1748
01:20:59,359 --> 01:20:56,159
people would because you can hear us

1749
01:21:05,000 --> 01:20:59,369
every week on unraveling the secrets on

1750
01:21:07,099 --> 01:21:05,010
the PSM radio that's a shameless plug so

1751
01:21:11,060 --> 01:21:07,109
true and I'm sky watchers radio by the

1752
01:21:12,859 --> 01:21:11,070
way right yes I believe in shameless

1753
01:21:15,409 --> 01:21:12,869
plugs and I think you're gonna get

1754
01:21:20,540 --> 01:21:15,419
plugged make a chain Plus absent even be

1755
01:21:22,700 --> 01:21:20,550
I believe in being shameless so the

1756
01:21:25,790 --> 01:21:22,710
Daniel Boone

1757
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:25,800
I I have a story that I I have to go on

1758
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:28,980
the record with and in I hope people

1759
01:21:34,250 --> 01:21:31,650
will think well of me afterwards because

1760
01:21:36,740 --> 01:21:34,260
I'm admitting something that should

1761
01:21:39,950 --> 01:21:36,750
never get out into the public realm how

1762
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:39,960
I met Nick Redfern Oh

1763
01:21:48,140 --> 01:21:43,730
Nick and I met in the summer of 1997 in

1764
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:48,150
Risley in Yorkshire I knew who Nick was

1765
01:21:52,850 --> 01:21:51,510
for years before then because Nick I

1766
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:52,860
think starting when he was three years

1767
01:21:57,980 --> 01:21:55,440
old was writing letters to the Ministry

1768
01:21:59,840 --> 01:21:57,990
of Defence demanding information and

1769
01:22:02,030 --> 01:21:59,850
writing books a lot of it around

1770
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:02,040
Rendlesham he was actually born in the

1771
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:06,120
forest and I you know I had all these

1772
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:07,920
great letters signed by these guy Nick

1773
01:22:12,170 --> 01:22:09,410
Redfern there on the public record

1774
01:22:14,540 --> 01:22:12,180
demanding information proving that you

1775
01:22:16,340 --> 01:22:14,550
know this person lied or that we had

1776
01:22:19,580 --> 01:22:16,350
radar returns in that day in December

1777
01:22:21,650 --> 01:22:19,590
and this was where Larry and I were

1778
01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:21,660
gonna meet him we were on our 15 cities

1779
01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:24,360
speaking tour it was an amazing moment

1780
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:27,300
in our lives after years of working away

1781
01:22:33,710 --> 01:22:29,250
with very little recognition except from

1782
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,720
people like you Tim we we had a

1783
01:22:38,690 --> 01:22:35,760
best-seller and in fact for part of the

1784
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:38,700
summer of 97 I'm ridiculously proud to

1785
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:41,280
say that we were several points in the

1786
01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:45,450
top ten ahead of a writer named john

1787
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:47,460
lecarre a whose new novel was the tailor

1788
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:50,460
of panama when we were I think number

1789
01:22:54,710 --> 01:22:53,040
seven he was number nine for several

1790
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:54,720
weeks which for me was stranger than

1791
01:23:02,090 --> 01:22:57,600
UFOs that blew my mind that we actually

1792
01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:02,100
had that position and we knew we were

1793
01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:04,380
gonna meet Nick that evening in the pub

1794
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:07,140
attached to where we were staying of

1795
01:23:11,660 --> 01:23:08,310
course where else would you meet him

1796
01:23:14,180 --> 01:23:11,670
yeah and all I knew about a son said he

1797
01:23:16,340 --> 01:23:14,190
was you know tall he was British and he

1798
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:16,350
shaved his head so I get down there

1799
01:23:23,450 --> 01:23:20,610
before Larry and I see a guy at the bar

1800
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:23,460
who meets that basic description and I

1801
01:23:28,910 --> 01:23:25,650
sit down next to him he's British

1802
01:23:31,310 --> 01:23:28,920
he has no hair and he seems affable

1803
01:23:32,810 --> 01:23:31,320
enough and I say hi and he says hi and I

1804
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:32,820
said it's really good to finally meet

1805
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:34,080
you and he looks at me like well all

1806
01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:35,490
right then

1807
01:23:40,730 --> 01:23:36,990
he's gotta maybe next to him and he

1808
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:40,740
looks at him and I start to what I felt

1809
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:44,010
was a conversation I felt gee I mean you

1810
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:46,320
know he may be a good researcher but he

1811
01:23:53,330 --> 01:23:50,880
seems a bit standoffish and I see at the

1812
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:53,340
door my my friend and co-author Larry

1813
01:23:58,160 --> 01:23:56,730
Warren and a guy who actually was the

1814
01:24:00,260 --> 01:23:58,170
real Nick Redfern and they're giving me

1815
01:24:01,970 --> 01:24:00,270
a look like the kind of look you don't

1816
01:24:07,370 --> 01:24:01,980
want people to give you the very first

1817
01:24:07,850 --> 01:24:07,380
time and I felt like well a certain kind

1818
01:24:09,710 --> 01:24:07,860
of [\h__\h]

1819
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:09,720
I won't characterize it by it by the

1820
01:24:13,610 --> 01:24:11,130
word I was going to use on the air

1821
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:13,620
because the FCC well but that's how I

1822
01:24:17,210 --> 01:24:15,690
met Nick you can always say though that

1823
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:17,220
now you've experienced picking up a guy

1824
01:24:23,570 --> 01:24:20,970
you know there I'm sure that there was

1825
01:24:26,420 --> 01:24:23,580
that thought too I when I realized that

1826
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:26,430
I had made this faux pas I excused

1827
01:24:32,690 --> 01:24:29,010
myself he nodded in agreement that that

1828
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:32,700
was fine with him you know we had we had

1829
01:24:36,740 --> 01:24:34,410
a really nice evening together we drank

1830
01:24:41,210 --> 01:24:36,750
alcoholic beverages and ate and left and

1831
01:24:43,670 --> 01:24:41,220
made friends and I will also say I am

1832
01:24:47,480 --> 01:24:43,680
possibly one of the few people in

1833
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:47,490
ufology who knew Nick Redfern before he

1834
01:25:01,870 --> 01:24:57,330
wrote the first of his 487 books because

1835
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:01,880
that summer a covert agenda came out and

1836
01:25:10,460 --> 01:25:05,610
so you actually did not but you had

1837
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:10,470
written it and right but that was the

1838
01:25:15,620 --> 01:25:14,130
first and I oh no it's 480 no it's they

1839
01:25:20,090 --> 01:25:15,630
just clicked a notch because a new book

1840
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:20,100
came out you are you're India you

1841
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:23,970
styrenes for life yeah like a cult I'm

1842
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:26,730
just training here it was a great way to

1843
01:25:33,410 --> 01:25:31,170
get to meet anybody and then you know

1844
01:25:37,460 --> 01:25:33,420
you started to become the person now

1845
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,470
known as Nick Redfern as opposed to the

1846
01:25:40,820 --> 01:25:39,120
Yorkshire guy who almost you know was

1847
01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:40,830
about to have a book out and who had

1848
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,800
just been you know a pain in the ass of

1849
01:25:47,860 --> 01:25:45,360
Her Majesty's Government for years

1850
01:25:52,879 --> 01:25:49,339
Nick

1851
01:25:54,379 --> 01:25:52,889
my sister Helen who yet you guys without

1852
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:54,389
realizing it had a mutual admiration

1853
01:26:00,740 --> 01:25:57,360
society Helen truly was one of the

1854
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:00,750
pioneer artists in the genre that became

1855
01:26:06,649 --> 01:26:03,360
known as punk and literally exploded on

1856
01:26:14,299 --> 01:26:06,659
the stage of CBGB's and starting in 1976

1857
01:26:17,089 --> 01:26:14,309
and like a lot of abductees she was not

1858
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:17,099
very comfortable reading books about the

1859
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:19,650
abduction phenomena I mean but who

1860
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:21,510
adored her gave her copies of all his

1861
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:24,000
books and you know inscribed them she'd

1862
01:26:29,450 --> 01:26:25,920
read part of him and then lay him down

1863
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:29,460
but she read a covert agenda from cover

1864
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:33,210
to cover I gave that to me and you know

1865
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:36,960
it was a great book for her and she you

1866
01:26:41,419 --> 01:26:38,489
know there was a real connection there

1867
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,429
I'm just so sorry you two never met

1868
01:26:47,020 --> 01:26:43,679
because you've got more in common with

1869
01:26:49,759 --> 01:26:47,030
her than anybody else in ufology being a

1870
01:26:54,049 --> 01:26:49,769
an amazing metalhead musicologist

1871
01:26:55,009 --> 01:26:54,059
yourself but yeah I'm sure we probably

1872
01:27:00,279 --> 01:26:55,019
would have spent the entire night

1873
01:27:03,589 --> 01:27:00,289
talking about totally ignored me yeah

1874
01:27:08,509 --> 01:27:03,599
there there is a photo that I pasted on

1875
01:27:10,850 --> 01:27:08,519
Facebook today announcing the the show

1876
01:27:12,589 --> 01:27:10,860
and it's a photo of Helen and I believe

1877
01:27:15,770 --> 01:27:12,599
that it was taken a performance that she

1878
01:27:16,399 --> 01:27:15,780
gave in the UK which I which I found on

1879
01:27:19,279 --> 01:27:16,409
the Internet

1880
01:27:21,109 --> 01:27:19,289
I don't think so I don't know I see it

1881
01:27:23,660 --> 01:27:21,119
here no I think that isn't I'll tell you

1882
01:27:29,810 --> 01:27:23,670
what I think that is either from the

1883
01:27:32,589 --> 01:27:29,820
from CBGB's or the cat club or believe

1884
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:32,599
it or not the the the peppermint lounge

1885
01:27:37,700 --> 01:27:35,610
you know it did it did say it did say UK

1886
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:37,710
maybe it was published in a pub in a

1887
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:39,210
magazine there or something but I do

1888
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:41,250
know that uh when I found that it said

1889
01:27:47,390 --> 01:27:43,920
UK on it maybe it was misspelled are you

1890
01:27:50,359 --> 01:27:47,400
okay and you know or it could be the

1891
01:27:52,729 --> 01:27:50,369
photo credit UK or something okay and

1892
01:27:54,169 --> 01:27:52,739
anyway but but Peter in the book Shirley

1893
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,179
MacLaine meets the Pelagians

1894
01:27:58,640 --> 01:27:56,639
the amazing flying saucer experiences of

1895
01:28:00,049 --> 01:27:58,650
celebrities rock stars and the rich and

1896
01:28:03,220 --> 01:28:00,059
famous which includes all of us

1897
01:28:05,890 --> 01:28:03,230
naturally I do have this article

1898
01:28:08,830 --> 01:28:05,900
based on an interview that I did many

1899
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:08,840
years ago with the Helen I think over

1900
01:28:17,170 --> 01:28:11,890
Chinese / Chinese dinner it was always

1901
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:17,180
our Indian it's always food there you go

1902
01:28:21,220 --> 01:28:19,730
yeah why don't you got to relate I know

1903
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:21,230
we don't have too much time left but

1904
01:28:25,630 --> 01:28:23,600
that you have to relate the the

1905
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:25,640
experience that obviously set you off

1906
01:28:29,950 --> 01:28:28,250
because if it wasn't for your sighting

1907
01:28:31,930 --> 01:28:29,960
and her abduction there would be no

1908
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:31,940
Peter Robbins I sure wouldn't be talking

1909
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:35,170
to you guys now right yeah you know a

1910
01:28:40,630 --> 01:28:38,210
relatively sedate life hopefully as a

1911
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:40,640
painter in New York City thinking guys

1912
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:42,410
like you were out of your friggin minds

1913
01:28:49,690 --> 01:28:47,330
but in fact I am now one of you and what

1914
01:28:53,790 --> 01:28:49,700
happened and as succinctly as I can put

1915
01:28:58,380 --> 01:28:53,800
it was we were born in New York City but

1916
01:29:01,480 --> 01:28:58,390
our parents moved us out to a really

1917
01:29:04,060 --> 01:29:01,490
ideal like little village on Long Island

1918
01:29:05,740 --> 01:29:04,070
about 30 miles east of Manhattan called

1919
01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:05,750
Rockville Center where we kind of came

1920
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:07,760
of age it was the best of both worlds

1921
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:10,400
close to the city and you know this this

1922
01:29:21,690 --> 01:29:16,510
charming laid-back kind of childhood and

1923
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:21,700
when I was 14 and Helen was just 12

1924
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:26,330
there came a late morning in June of

1925
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:29,360
1961 at least that's what we were able

1926
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:31,120
to put together as close as possible

1927
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:34,010
when we finally talked about it more

1928
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:38,570
than 14 years later the event itself did

1929
01:29:43,770 --> 01:29:40,730
not trigger my interest in fact it

1930
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:43,780
became obviously if I have other

1931
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:46,010
repressed memories from childhood I

1932
01:29:50,620 --> 01:29:48,050
don't know what they are but it became

1933
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:50,630
the repressed memory of my childhood

1934
01:29:56,410 --> 01:29:54,170
which I'd have to characterizes pretty

1935
01:29:58,540 --> 01:29:56,420
pretty lucky and happy one no question

1936
01:30:01,660 --> 01:29:58,550
about it we were playing on the front

1937
01:30:04,780 --> 01:30:01,670
lawn as kids do and it was just one of

1938
01:30:07,060 --> 01:30:04,790
those times in quiet little suburban

1939
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:07,070
neighborhood where there was nothing

1940
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:09,530
going on it was a beautiful day

1941
01:30:15,940 --> 01:30:13,250
cloudless sky no ice cream man we don't

1942
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:15,950
remember any other kids playing nobody

1943
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:16,850
on the street

1944
01:30:22,090 --> 01:30:18,410
not uncommon for that in that

1945
01:30:25,060 --> 01:30:22,100
neighborhood and I caught something out

1946
01:30:27,730 --> 01:30:25,070
of my right peripheral vision and I have

1947
01:30:30,430 --> 01:30:27,740
relived this in three different hypnotic

1948
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:30,440
regressions one with Budd Hopkins one

1949
01:30:35,020 --> 01:30:33,290
with one of my real mentors besides Budd

1950
01:30:39,490 --> 01:30:35,030
the girl eighth grade detect police

1951
01:30:41,980 --> 01:30:39,500
detective Pete Missoula who God had he

1952
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:41,990
lived and he he was taken much too early

1953
01:30:47,350 --> 01:30:45,110
he might well have become the most

1954
01:30:49,300 --> 01:30:47,360
certainly one of the most significant

1955
01:30:52,090 --> 01:30:49,310
figures in UFO studies in America a

1956
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:52,100
tough no-nonsense italian-american

1957
01:30:57,460 --> 01:30:53,920
Brooklyn New York City police detective

1958
01:31:00,750 --> 01:30:57,470
who was also a crack UFO investigator

1959
01:31:02,620 --> 01:31:00,760
and passionate about the subject and I

1960
01:31:05,170 --> 01:31:02,630
caught something out of my right

1961
01:31:07,420 --> 01:31:05,180
peripheral vision and I either said to

1962
01:31:11,620 --> 01:31:07,430
my sister who was about six feet to my

1963
01:31:16,110 --> 01:31:11,630
left look or Helen and as she looked up

1964
01:31:20,110 --> 01:31:16,120
they stopped it was five silvery white

1965
01:31:21,250 --> 01:31:20,120
disc shaped objects they were ellipses

1966
01:31:22,900 --> 01:31:21,260
they were like tipped

1967
01:31:27,010 --> 01:31:22,910
dinner plates you guys know what I mean

1968
01:31:29,350 --> 01:31:27,020
and they were totally unambiguous this

1969
01:31:32,670 --> 01:31:29,360
was as good a daylight sighting as

1970
01:31:34,420 --> 01:31:32,680
anybody could have there was no

1971
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:34,430
misunderstanding

1972
01:31:43,710 --> 01:31:39,530
they were oval and they were metallic

1973
01:31:46,150 --> 01:31:43,720
not like a stainless steel more like

1974
01:31:49,660 --> 01:31:46,160
subdued like if you brushed aluminum or

1975
01:31:54,610 --> 01:31:49,670
something they were in a very precise v

1976
01:31:59,470 --> 01:31:54,620
as in victor formation and I swear to

1977
01:32:01,960 --> 01:31:59,480
God we both agreed that they were close

1978
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:01,970
enough that we could make out regular

1979
01:32:08,530 --> 01:32:04,970
detailing around the edge of each that

1980
01:32:12,250 --> 01:32:08,540
was lighter than the surface of the the

1981
01:32:13,930 --> 01:32:12,260
shapes themselves and it would be the

1982
01:32:16,690 --> 01:32:13,940
only thing I could have ever been able

1983
01:32:18,910 --> 01:32:16,700
to compare it to would be windows on a

1984
01:32:20,740 --> 01:32:18,920
commercial aircraft at an appreciable

1985
01:32:25,270 --> 01:32:20,750
difference where you can at least see

1986
01:32:27,070 --> 01:32:25,280
them and they just hung motionless over

1987
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:27,080
the neighbor's house the Parkers house

1988
01:32:30,590 --> 01:32:28,130
across the street

1989
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:30,600
if you ask me how big they were I could

1990
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,370
tell you if there were a few thousand

1991
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:34,560
feet up they were size of a Piper Cub if

1992
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:37,050
they were you know twelve thousand feet

1993
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:39,210
up they were the size of I don't know

1994
01:32:44,620 --> 01:32:42,210
but there they were and we didn't say a

1995
01:32:47,210 --> 01:32:44,630
word to each other we just looked now

1996
01:32:50,210 --> 01:32:47,220
you guys have had the same experience I

1997
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:50,220
have people have come up to us and said

1998
01:32:53,570 --> 01:32:51,570
you know you're somebody I feel

1999
01:32:57,700 --> 01:32:53,580
comfortable I couldn't tell my about my

2000
01:33:00,920 --> 01:32:57,710
event and they do and I have documented

2001
01:33:03,410 --> 01:33:00,930
informally what I call the checklist

2002
01:33:05,630 --> 01:33:03,420
response I'm sure several hundred times

2003
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:05,640
and it goes like this you look up and

2004
01:33:10,940 --> 01:33:08,370
you see a thing or things that you

2005
01:33:13,130 --> 01:33:10,950
cannot identify and especially if

2006
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:13,140
they're pronounced your logical mind

2007
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:14,730
runs through everything that they are

2008
01:33:20,330 --> 01:33:17,840
not there Knight planes kites blimps

2009
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:20,340
helicopters balloons reflections from

2010
01:33:24,410 --> 01:33:22,050
the ground weird shaped clouds

2011
01:33:26,450 --> 01:33:24,420
you know flotsam and jetsam and then you

2012
01:33:29,810 --> 01:33:26,460
kind of hit the wall and that is what

2013
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:29,820
happened to me I was not just a straight

2014
01:33:35,570 --> 01:33:33,210
little kid at fourteen I was still in

2015
01:33:38,540 --> 01:33:35,580
the Boy Scouts I mean I collected rocks

2016
01:33:41,630 --> 01:33:38,550
and stamps and bugs I was totally not

2017
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:41,640
into sports I drew I painted I read and

2018
01:33:50,150 --> 01:33:44,880
I cooked I was the nerdiest nerd in nerd

2019
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:50,160
city and I knew I intuitively understood

2020
01:33:54,710 --> 01:33:51,900
the ridicule factor I'm old enough to

2021
01:33:56,660 --> 01:33:54,720
have seen some of the great B movies on

2022
01:33:59,900 --> 01:33:56,670
Saturday at the Fantasy theater in

2023
01:34:03,470 --> 01:33:59,910
Rockville Center and i intuited the

2024
01:34:06,590 --> 01:34:03,480
adult opinion UFOs flying saucers are

2025
01:34:09,260 --> 01:34:06,600
real of course in the movies otherwise

2026
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:09,270
they're a wonderful silly invention

2027
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:13,170
except that there they were and I guess

2028
01:34:18,410 --> 01:34:16,320
I went into shock to a degree and to

2029
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:18,420
compress the story a bit I knew if I

2030
01:34:24,350 --> 01:34:22,320
talked to my little friends this would

2031
01:34:27,500 --> 01:34:24,360
get around and I'd be the subject of

2032
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:27,510
ridicule also at 14 I was becoming

2033
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:30,930
extremely interested in something called

2034
01:34:37,010 --> 01:34:34,290
sex and I really it was something I

2035
01:34:38,690 --> 01:34:37,020
really wanted to have and I know we all

2036
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:38,700
know it's a scientific fact here I

2037
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:40,080
thought these laws say Shakespeare in

2038
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:40,880
the Park

2039
01:34:44,510 --> 01:34:43,650
girls you tell one girl something and

2040
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:44,520
immediately every

2041
01:34:48,890 --> 01:34:46,080
the world will know it it's like a vine

2042
01:34:51,170 --> 01:34:48,900
it's it's science and I thought I do

2043
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:51,180
want to have sex someday with a girl and

2044
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:55,290
um if I talk about this it it may well

2045
01:35:00,320 --> 01:34:56,730
never happen and you know what guys I'm

2046
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:00,330
only half I was you're 14 years old

2047
01:35:05,660 --> 01:35:02,850
you're a raging mass of hormones I just

2048
01:35:07,730 --> 01:35:05,670
wanted to be somewhat taller have some

2049
01:35:10,730 --> 01:35:07,740
cool clothes I I'm somewhat short I

2050
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:10,740
don't know if you guys are aware and to

2051
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:13,650
be you know accepted as we all did back

2052
01:35:21,530 --> 01:35:17,970
then and so I just shut up about it

2053
01:35:23,060 --> 01:35:21,540
and later that afternoon Helen asked me

2054
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:23,070
if I wanted to talk about it and I said

2055
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:25,770
no well more than fourteen years later

2056
01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:29,040
I'm living in Chinatown I'm following my

2057
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:31,710
dream I am a painter I'm starting to

2058
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:33,810
show my work in downtown galleries I'm

2059
01:35:39,050 --> 01:35:36,530
in my mind I'm a blue-collar

2060
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,060
intellectual I'm working as a framing

2061
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:41,520
carpenter on and off for years helping

2062
01:35:46,490 --> 01:35:43,890
to renovate the old factory buildings in

2063
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:46,500
the Soho district teaching painting at

2064
01:35:49,970 --> 01:35:48,090
my alma mater the great School of Visual

2065
01:35:52,370 --> 01:35:49,980
Arts I got a great girlfriend

2066
01:35:55,690 --> 01:35:52,380
Helen meanwhile is living almost a mile

2067
01:35:58,940 --> 01:35:55,700
north in the East Village a true

2068
01:36:01,760 --> 01:35:58,950
poor as a Churchmouse struggling poet

2069
01:36:04,850 --> 01:36:01,770
who was making some of her living sewing

2070
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:04,860
one-of-a-kind costumes for rockers like

2071
01:36:11,690 --> 01:36:06,930
the Blue Oyster Cult her boyfriend

2072
01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:11,700
Albert bouchard's group and I this

2073
01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:13,800
memory came roaring back into my head

2074
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:16,110
I'm pretty sure I know why and it was a

2075
01:36:22,820 --> 01:36:20,250
combination of events namely that it was

2076
01:36:25,190 --> 01:36:22,830
the weekend before had been the Chinese

2077
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:25,200
New Year and it was still before evil

2078
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:29,250
mayor Giuliani truly cracked down on the

2079
01:36:34,100 --> 01:36:31,250
fireworks are illegal for the Chinese

2080
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:34,110
community there and given that they had

2081
01:36:37,490 --> 01:36:35,610
been doing this for five to seven

2082
01:36:39,380 --> 01:36:37,500
thousand years it seemed a shame to a

2083
01:36:41,180 --> 01:36:39,390
lot of us that had stopped but if you

2084
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:41,190
lived in Chinatown in the old days

2085
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:43,650
during the Chinese New Year you didn't

2086
01:36:48,410 --> 01:36:46,410
sleep for several days it was fireworks

2087
01:36:52,420 --> 01:36:48,420
around the clock the smell of cordite in

2088
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:52,430
your nostrils all the time I had also

2089
01:36:58,250 --> 01:36:56,010
gotten a bunch of drawings that my

2090
01:37:01,250 --> 01:36:58,260
grandmother had given me that she said

2091
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,260
ice me with that she saved it was back

2092
01:37:06,049 --> 01:37:03,360
in a time when parents didn't save every

2093
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:06,059
little thing that their genius did from

2094
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:07,920
when I was a kid and some of those

2095
01:37:12,589 --> 01:37:09,690
drawings not that they related to the

2096
01:37:16,490 --> 01:37:12,599
subject but I did them at about that

2097
01:37:19,549 --> 01:37:16,500
time and I was going through the

2098
01:37:21,259 --> 01:37:19,559
drawings as kind of overtired and I was

2099
01:37:22,759 --> 01:37:21,269
staring at a drawing that I probably did

2100
01:37:25,609 --> 01:37:22,769
within a month or so of it having

2101
01:37:28,069 --> 01:37:25,619
nothing to do with it again you'd have

2102
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:28,079
to ask a psychologist but that memory

2103
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:31,050
came roaring back and I have to tell you

2104
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:35,010
I thought I was going crazy because I

2105
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:37,920
immediately remembered it remembered it

2106
01:37:42,740 --> 01:37:40,320
I knew it was as real as anything that

2107
01:37:44,810 --> 01:37:42,750
had ever happened to me and yet your

2108
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:44,820
logical mind is saying wait how could

2109
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:47,250
you have ever forgotten that that's

2110
01:37:50,689 --> 01:37:48,090
crazy

2111
01:37:54,169 --> 01:37:50,699
and I kind of broke down I mean I I

2112
01:37:56,509 --> 01:37:54,179
started to cry I got very upset I calmed

2113
01:37:58,549 --> 01:37:56,519
down I washed my face I had a cup of tea

2114
01:37:59,660 --> 01:37:58,559
and thought what are you gonna do and I

2115
01:38:02,089 --> 01:37:59,670
thought well there's only one thing to

2116
01:38:04,540 --> 01:38:02,099
do you've got to call your sister and

2117
01:38:08,779 --> 01:38:04,550
find out if she remembers the same thing

2118
01:38:11,180 --> 01:38:08,789
at least I had the forethought to think

2119
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:11,190
it out enough to realize that if I

2120
01:38:15,589 --> 01:38:13,440
simply blurted it all out to Helen and

2121
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:15,599
she'd say yes or no and I'd never really

2122
01:38:20,930 --> 01:38:18,449
know in my heart if she did remember the

2123
01:38:25,310 --> 01:38:20,940
same thing so I called her a stripper

2124
01:38:29,540 --> 01:38:25,320
was a good time to talk and I set the

2125
01:38:31,549 --> 01:38:29,550
stage I described the the weather where

2126
01:38:33,950 --> 01:38:31,559
we were standing about how old we were

2127
01:38:36,589 --> 01:38:33,960
the time of year and she stopped me

2128
01:38:38,959 --> 01:38:36,599
mid-sentence and said stop I know what

2129
01:38:40,580 --> 01:38:38,969
you're talking about told me what I

2130
01:38:42,350 --> 01:38:40,590
remembered and then said but there's

2131
01:38:45,589 --> 01:38:42,360
more and you're not gonna like it and

2132
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:45,599
then among other things told me about

2133
01:38:53,029 --> 01:38:50,010
this memory of seeing a blue beam of

2134
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:53,039
light shoot out of one of these things

2135
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:54,570
and what I'm about to say I've been

2136
01:38:58,370 --> 01:38:56,610
public with for decades I'm sure it'll

2137
01:39:00,799 --> 01:38:58,380
shock some people because you know I

2138
01:39:02,810 --> 01:39:00,809
don't talk about it every day but she

2139
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:02,820
said I knew what I was seeing was crazy

2140
01:39:07,069 --> 01:39:05,280
even as a kid because you can't see a

2141
01:39:08,779 --> 01:39:07,079
beam of light come down to the ground

2142
01:39:10,580 --> 01:39:08,789
during the day you know you could only

2143
01:39:11,629 --> 01:39:10,590
see it like in a thick fog or something

2144
01:39:14,300 --> 01:39:11,639
like that

2145
01:39:16,250 --> 01:39:14,310
and she said I turned around you had run

2146
01:39:18,770 --> 01:39:16,260
and went to run into the house to tell

2147
01:39:20,359 --> 01:39:18,780
mom which was absolutely factual I was

2148
01:39:21,620 --> 01:39:20,369
that anxious that at that point I didn't

2149
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:21,630
want to think about it I just wanted

2150
01:39:27,020 --> 01:39:25,050
tell mom and get out of there and she

2151
01:39:29,689 --> 01:39:27,030
said I turned around and you were in

2152
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:29,699
that light and then the light went out

2153
01:39:36,859 --> 01:39:33,840
you went down and I was lifted off the

2154
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:36,869
ground and I just started to go up I had

2155
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:39,690
no fear I was fascinated my hair was

2156
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:41,610
flying in the distance I saw the top of

2157
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:43,679
the house I looked up in the bottom of

2158
01:39:50,350 --> 01:39:45,090
one of these things was getting bigger

2159
01:39:53,149 --> 01:39:50,360
and bigger and remember this is 1975 UFO

2160
01:39:56,810 --> 01:39:53,159
abduction accounts I think you know

2161
01:39:58,490 --> 01:39:56,820
there was the hills there was sergeant

2162
01:40:01,070 --> 01:39:58,500
moody you may remember that one it was

2163
01:40:02,149 --> 01:40:01,080
in the Enquirer which by the way Tim

2164
01:40:04,910 --> 01:40:02,159
you're absolutely right

2165
01:40:07,879 --> 01:40:04,920
I now realize after a lot of research

2166
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:07,889
that the inquires coverage of UFOs was

2167
01:40:12,740 --> 01:40:09,810
easy for the world to dish on because it

2168
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:12,750
was the Enquirer but it was absolutely

2169
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:16,320
spot-on in so many cases in a way it

2170
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:18,210
kind of fed the ridicule factor because

2171
01:40:20,810 --> 01:40:19,920
it can't be real cuz it's in the

2172
01:40:23,570 --> 01:40:20,820
Enquirer

2173
01:40:25,820 --> 01:40:23,580
well she then went on to describe to me

2174
01:40:28,430 --> 01:40:25,830
something that I've heard I'm sure from

2175
01:40:31,070 --> 01:40:28,440
several hundred people over the years

2176
01:40:34,370 --> 01:40:31,080
which is archetypical fragmented

2177
01:40:34,970 --> 01:40:34,380
memories of being on board being on the

2178
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:34,980
table

2179
01:40:40,879 --> 01:40:37,290
the things that were being said into her

2180
01:40:43,550 --> 01:40:40,889
head by beings that she described in her

2181
01:40:45,740 --> 01:40:43,560
first regressive hypnosis with Pete

2182
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:45,750
Missoula and then on to working with

2183
01:40:51,050 --> 01:40:48,239
Budd from the point of view of a 12 year

2184
01:40:54,260 --> 01:40:51,060
old as little doctors with big heads and

2185
01:40:57,260 --> 01:40:54,270
big black eyes who talked to her in her

2186
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:57,270
head and one big one and you know being

2187
01:41:02,300 --> 01:41:00,960
walked through a metal hallway and I'm

2188
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:02,310
listening to her on the phone and I'm

2189
01:41:06,530 --> 01:41:04,800
thinking my god my sister's gone crazy

2190
01:41:08,959 --> 01:41:06,540
and then I caught myself and said ah

2191
01:41:11,810 --> 01:41:08,969
four seconds ago it was okay to have

2192
01:41:13,790 --> 01:41:11,820
five flying saucers with windows

2193
01:41:16,250 --> 01:41:13,800
hovering over the neighbor's house but

2194
01:41:18,410 --> 01:41:16,260
now your sister's crazy as Tim knows

2195
01:41:20,899 --> 01:41:18,420
Ellen and I were not just brother and

2196
01:41:23,780 --> 01:41:20,909
sister we were the best friends we were

2197
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:23,790
extremely close we adored each other we

2198
01:41:27,230 --> 01:41:25,290
were adult roommates

2199
01:41:28,940 --> 01:41:27,240
quite a number of years in our life we

2200
01:41:31,340 --> 01:41:28,950
had an awful lot of fun together we

2201
01:41:33,470 --> 01:41:31,350
edited each other's stuff and my sister

2202
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:33,480
wasn't a liar and she had no reason to

2203
01:41:38,630 --> 01:41:35,850
do this and you know people say my life

2204
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:38,640
changed overnight well my dream of being

2205
01:41:44,780 --> 01:41:41,760
a painter a serious New York painter

2206
01:41:46,490 --> 01:41:44,790
which I played at four years after the

2207
01:41:49,700 --> 01:41:46,500
heart went out of it in those series of

2208
01:41:52,010 --> 01:41:49,710
seconds I became completely obsessed

2209
01:41:56,930 --> 01:41:52,020
with what happened to my sister

2210
01:42:01,370 --> 01:41:56,940
and it drove me to a point where I am

2211
01:42:03,740 --> 01:42:01,380
here sitting in my office talking to you

2212
01:42:07,150 --> 01:42:03,750
guys about the most extraordinary

2213
01:42:11,540 --> 01:42:07,160
turning point in my life I didn't I

2214
01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:11,550
didn't want to do this I felt I had to

2215
01:42:17,180 --> 01:42:14,580
and I actually remember sitting with

2216
01:42:20,630 --> 01:42:17,190
Helen some years later watching the

2217
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:20,640
pilot episode of the x-files and at a

2218
01:42:25,790 --> 01:42:22,410
certain point we turned to each other

2219
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:25,800
and she said my god that's you except

2220
01:42:31,070 --> 01:42:28,110
that his sister was returned and I

2221
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:31,080
thought good lord you know this is what

2222
01:42:36,770 --> 01:42:34,320
has happened to my life I became this

2223
01:42:38,990 --> 01:42:36,780
investigative writer in this subject I

2224
01:42:40,250 --> 01:42:39,000
mean it's hardly my only interest thank

2225
01:42:44,380 --> 01:42:40,260
God

2226
01:42:47,900 --> 01:42:44,390
but there's the story and a nutshell Tim

2227
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:47,910
so now let me ask you a question but

2228
01:42:55,700 --> 01:42:49,530
both I'm sorry I don't take any

2229
01:42:57,380 --> 01:42:55,710
questions just one just let me ask you a

2230
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:57,390
question and I've often thought about

2231
01:43:00,980 --> 01:42:59,040
this you know people would say to me oh

2232
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,990
you've devoted your entire life to this

2233
01:43:05,330 --> 01:43:02,880
have you ever had an abduction

2234
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:05,340
experience and no I haven't I haven't

2235
01:43:08,690 --> 01:43:07,050
met the faint a friendly a space

2236
01:43:10,670 --> 01:43:08,700
brothers I live when I have a very

2237
01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:10,680
parallel story there yeah we got yeah

2238
01:43:15,530 --> 01:43:12,780
yeah yeah I had I had a sighting when I

2239
01:43:18,110 --> 01:43:15,540
was age 10 I lived in a house it did

2240
01:43:21,110 --> 01:43:18,120
have some apologized tsunami in it but I

2241
01:43:22,430 --> 01:43:21,120
don't well you know maybe something did

2242
01:43:25,610 --> 01:43:22,440
happen do you think that there's

2243
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:25,620
anything Nick and Peter to the the

2244
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:27,930
concept that maybe all of this are in

2245
01:43:32,030 --> 01:43:30,480
this for a reason and and that's you

2246
01:43:34,430 --> 01:43:32,040
know what I always tell everybody maybe

2247
01:43:37,850 --> 01:43:34,440
we shouldn't be sniping at each other's

2248
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:37,860
ankles like you you say because maybe

2249
01:43:41,449 --> 01:43:39,449
you know chosen it

2250
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:41,459
not like some big biblical thing I don't

2251
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:43,199
claim to be Moses or anything like that

2252
01:43:49,580 --> 01:43:47,369
but do you think maybe we have some sort

2253
01:43:51,469 --> 01:43:49,590
of task to do I mean is it more than

2254
01:43:54,410 --> 01:43:51,479
just coincidence that we're sitting here

2255
01:43:56,540 --> 01:43:54,420
doing the show every Saturday at night

2256
01:43:58,879 --> 01:43:56,550
unraveling the secrets on the PSN radio

2257
01:44:02,779 --> 01:43:58,889
network when we could be out still

2258
01:44:13,899 --> 01:44:02,789
chasing girls yeah should this place

2259
01:44:16,699 --> 01:44:13,909
that basically we are living the dream

2260
01:44:20,089 --> 01:44:16,709
still chasing women and again endorsing

2261
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,099
those royalty checks and you know just

2262
01:44:26,180 --> 01:44:22,320
dealing with the the reality of being

2263
01:44:28,699 --> 01:44:26,190
world-famous in our own minds I'll tell

2264
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:28,709
you the truth and it's the best answer I

2265
01:44:34,279 --> 01:44:31,489
can give you I don't know I have no idea

2266
01:44:36,129 --> 01:44:34,289
it's something we all any thinking

2267
01:44:40,609 --> 01:44:36,139
person goes back and forth is

2268
01:44:43,939 --> 01:44:40,619
predestination free choice you know

2269
01:44:46,609 --> 01:44:43,949
you're put on a path you you stumble on

2270
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:46,619
to the path I don't know I know that

2271
01:44:53,089 --> 01:44:50,489
many years later after I was a published

2272
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:53,099
author which my parents were very proud

2273
01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:55,920
of the they did wish that I had gotten a

2274
01:45:00,949 --> 01:44:58,110
more practical career my folks were

2275
01:45:03,919 --> 01:45:00,959
extremely supportive of both Helen and I

2276
01:45:04,879 --> 01:45:03,929
and my dad who is very much still with

2277
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:04,889
me

2278
01:45:11,149 --> 01:45:09,360
books criticizes everything and is

2279
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:11,159
pissed off that he hasn't seen one yet

2280
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:15,570
but I don't know anything is possible

2281
01:45:20,449 --> 01:45:18,449
I'm guessing if we could rise above

2282
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:20,459
everything and know the mysteries of the

2283
01:45:24,830 --> 01:45:21,119
universe

2284
01:45:28,850 --> 01:45:24,840
we would probably learn that both things

2285
01:45:31,370 --> 01:45:28,860
are actual that some people you know an

2286
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:31,380
event happens and it changes your life

2287
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:34,800
and it's random it's absolutely random

2288
01:45:41,149 --> 01:45:37,650
it's a roll of the dice it wasn't

2289
01:45:43,459 --> 01:45:41,159
necessarily meant to be in other cases

2290
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:43,469
yes maybe there are forces beyond us

2291
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:46,170
that some of us into it or understand or

2292
01:45:53,149 --> 01:45:50,130
believe in where yes in my case I have

2293
01:45:56,029 --> 01:45:53,159
no idea I I know that

2294
01:46:00,439 --> 01:45:56,039
we're all doing important work I know

2295
01:46:02,839 --> 01:46:00,449
that we have made valuable contributions

2296
01:46:03,770 --> 01:46:02,849
and that we should be proud of ourselves

2297
01:46:07,310 --> 01:46:03,780
for it

2298
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:07,320
at the same time all I ever wanted to be

2299
01:46:12,620 --> 01:46:10,110
when I was a kid and that I studied for

2300
01:46:15,589 --> 01:46:12,630
and dreamt about was be an artist in New

2301
01:46:18,049 --> 01:46:15,599
York to paint to draw to make sculptures

2302
01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:18,059
to make my living doing it in New York

2303
01:46:26,239 --> 01:46:22,249
City that was my dream and frankly when

2304
01:46:28,969 --> 01:46:26,249
my career trolley derailed from the

2305
01:46:32,959 --> 01:46:28,979
track I was angry

2306
01:46:35,029 --> 01:46:32,969
I was frustrated I the heart the you

2307
01:46:37,549 --> 01:46:35,039
know that central core of the dream of

2308
01:46:39,739 --> 01:46:37,559
being a New York artist I know I was

2309
01:46:41,569 --> 01:46:39,749
just playing at it after that I mean I

2310
01:46:44,689 --> 01:46:41,579
continued to teach painting at visual

2311
01:46:47,629 --> 01:46:44,699
arts I continued to show my work I still

2312
01:46:49,250 --> 01:46:47,639
love the arts I am a museum maniac I

2313
01:46:52,209 --> 01:46:49,260
will probably return to painting in the

2314
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:52,219
next few years I still thank God have a

2315
01:46:56,179 --> 01:46:54,719
consistent creative outlet of over 40

2316
01:46:59,179 --> 01:46:56,189
years as a professional photographer

2317
01:47:00,770 --> 01:46:59,189
which I love but I don't know that's

2318
01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:00,780
your long answer to your short question

2319
01:47:05,859 --> 01:47:03,689
Tim well you were also Budd Hopkins

2320
01:47:09,709 --> 01:47:05,869
assistant and he certainly was a

2321
01:47:11,659 --> 01:47:09,719
recognizable name in the art field well

2322
01:47:14,060 --> 01:47:11,669
it is and and and the way we met was

2323
01:47:18,139 --> 01:47:14,070
quite wonderful I'm less than a year

2324
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,149
into my obsession I picked up a copy of

2325
01:47:22,580 --> 01:47:20,639
the Village Voice which at the time no

2326
01:47:23,359 --> 01:47:22,590
longer with us but for anybody that not

2327
01:47:27,709 --> 01:47:23,369
a New Yorker

2328
01:47:29,899 --> 01:47:27,719
it was the liberal left weekly that at a

2329
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:29,909
certain point became a free newspaper

2330
01:47:36,620 --> 01:47:32,639
but I was absolutely dumbstruck there

2331
01:47:38,419 --> 01:47:36,630
was a front-page article on a major UFO

2332
01:47:40,879 --> 01:47:38,429
incident that occurred the year before

2333
01:47:43,429 --> 01:47:40,889
in New Jersey and it was written it was

2334
01:47:45,589 --> 01:47:43,439
absolutely the best written article and

2335
01:47:47,959 --> 01:47:45,599
the best documented one I had read in

2336
01:47:49,159 --> 01:47:47,969
the months that I had been involved and

2337
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:49,169
you know I was starting to build a

2338
01:47:53,959 --> 01:47:51,449
little library and cutting clippings and

2339
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,969
all that and it was written by a guy

2340
01:47:57,529 --> 01:47:55,679
named Budd Hopkins and I thought that

2341
01:48:00,649 --> 01:47:57,539
name is familiar I mean I was living

2342
01:48:02,270 --> 01:48:00,659
painting and I had seen his work and I

2343
01:48:04,549 --> 01:48:02,280
cold called him in the phone book

2344
01:48:06,780 --> 01:48:04,559
introduced myself told him what I was

2345
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:06,790
about and my sisters thing

2346
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:09,010
this is five years before even published

2347
01:48:13,950 --> 01:48:11,770
missing time and the first thing he

2348
01:48:16,350 --> 01:48:13,960
wanted to know was he wanted me to

2349
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:16,360
describe my artwork which he was not

2350
01:48:22,530 --> 01:48:19,330
crazy about bud was a late period

2351
01:48:25,380 --> 01:48:22,540
abstract expressionist I came of age in

2352
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:25,390
the minimal and the conceptual art age

2353
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:28,690
and he was still interested enough that

2354
01:48:34,740 --> 01:48:31,570
he invited me over for coffee and on

2355
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:34,750
that prophetic day in 1976 I showed up

2356
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:37,360
at his door on West 16th Street we had a

2357
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:39,370
cup of coffee and talked about art life

2358
01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:42,010
and UFOs which is actually the title of

2359
01:48:46,830 --> 01:48:45,070
his wonderful memoir and as shortly

2360
01:48:49,620 --> 01:48:46,840
before bud died we were sitting at his

2361
01:48:52,830 --> 01:48:49,630
kitchen table talking about art life and

2362
01:48:55,530 --> 01:48:52,840
UFOs and I we both talked a bit about

2363
01:48:58,230 --> 01:48:55,540
that that day and who would have

2364
01:49:01,110 --> 01:48:58,240
imagined that we would have had coffee

2365
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:01,120
at that table hundreds of times after

2366
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:03,370
talking about the same things but yes

2367
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:04,930
it's one of the things I'm proudest of

2368
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:07,570
in this work I was but Hopkins assistant

2369
01:49:13,650 --> 01:49:10,090
on and on for many years of our 35-year

2370
01:49:16,440 --> 01:49:13,660
friendship well you know time is ticking

2371
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:16,450
away we are headed into the future and

2372
01:49:21,060 --> 01:49:18,130
we only have a few more minutes to go

2373
01:49:24,210 --> 01:49:21,070
and I want to get back to Nick just for

2374
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:24,220
a moment now your book the secret

2375
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:26,890
history conspiracies from ancient aliens

2376
01:49:30,540 --> 01:49:28,690
to the new world order has just come out

2377
01:49:32,820 --> 01:49:30,550
in fact I got it in the mail from the

2378
01:49:34,620 --> 01:49:32,830
publisher maybe three weeks ago I

2379
01:49:38,130 --> 01:49:34,630
understand that you're working on a book

2380
01:49:40,410 --> 01:49:38,140
about the women in black yeah actually

2381
01:49:43,530 --> 01:49:40,420
I'm about 2/3 of the way through right

2382
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:43,540
now and a lot of probably obviously most

2383
01:49:47,580 --> 01:49:45,010
people it's not everybody served as a

2384
01:49:50,130 --> 01:49:47,590
man in black but I'm sure you know both

2385
01:49:52,740 --> 01:49:50,140
of you will recall when John Cale was

2386
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:52,750
Journeys masked man research in the

2387
01:49:56,670 --> 01:49:55,090
sixties in Point Pleasant you know every

2388
01:49:59,610 --> 01:49:56,680
so often for the man in black reports

2389
01:50:01,590 --> 01:49:59,620
would be like a woman alleged census

2390
01:50:03,630 --> 01:50:01,600
taker or something like that coming

2391
01:50:07,140 --> 01:50:03,640
around it was actually another woman who

2392
01:50:09,090 --> 01:50:07,150
posed as John keel secretary and so

2393
01:50:11,970 --> 01:50:09,100
about two years ago I started collecting

2394
01:50:14,340 --> 01:50:11,980
reports like this and was amazed how

2395
01:50:17,310 --> 01:50:14,350
many people over the years have been

2396
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:17,320
visited by what you can only cook really

2397
01:50:20,399 --> 01:50:19,930
calm women in black wow they kind of

2398
01:50:23,399 --> 01:50:20,409
look this

2399
01:50:25,890 --> 01:50:23,409
changed enigmatic tale and he put in

2400
01:50:28,350 --> 01:50:25,900
like a black business suit that you know

2401
01:50:30,299 --> 01:50:28,360
a woman would wear and lot of

2402
01:50:33,209 --> 01:50:30,309
interesting stories from the UK as well

2403
01:50:35,609 --> 01:50:33,219
where they posed us like you know

2404
01:50:37,469 --> 01:50:35,619
looking at the as far as like children's

2405
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:37,479
welfare is concerned they're a social

2406
01:50:41,399 --> 01:50:40,239
workers as they call them in England and

2407
01:50:43,169 --> 01:50:41,409
then when they get in the house they

2408
01:50:45,330 --> 01:50:43,179
start asking questions have you had any

2409
01:50:47,069 --> 01:50:45,340
strange dreams and it turns out that the

2410
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:47,079
household actually had you know very

2411
01:50:51,899 --> 01:50:50,320
weird UFO experience so I'm hoping to

2412
01:50:54,109 --> 01:50:51,909
complete it within the next few months

2413
01:50:57,449 --> 01:50:54,119
and hopefully it'll be sort of a new

2414
01:50:58,919 --> 01:50:57,459
angle for people to see on the on the

2415
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:58,929
man in black mystery which I think

2416
01:51:02,370 --> 01:51:00,880
actually is all interlinked with things

2417
01:51:04,679 --> 01:51:02,380
like the black-eyed kids of a shadow

2418
01:51:06,989 --> 01:51:04,689
people I think it's all part of and

2419
01:51:09,449 --> 01:51:06,999
parcel of a bigger mystery and I think

2420
01:51:11,310 --> 01:51:09,459
the women in black issues a sort of

2421
01:51:12,989 --> 01:51:11,320
connected with that as well yeah well

2422
01:51:15,239 --> 01:51:12,999
what are what now you've written oh I

2423
01:51:17,580 --> 01:51:15,249
don't know there's several dozen books

2424
01:51:20,250 --> 01:51:17,590
and all honestly I think next to Brad

2425
01:51:22,020 --> 01:51:20,260
stager and maybe myself you you're

2426
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:22,030
certainly right up there with a number

2427
01:51:26,699 --> 01:51:24,610
of titles and most of them really

2428
01:51:31,620 --> 01:51:26,709
exciting and very interesting and well

2429
01:51:33,810 --> 01:51:31,630
yes books by by all means what are like

2430
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:33,820
your your two or three favorite titles

2431
01:51:39,089 --> 01:51:36,880
that I've done you may know yes no no

2432
01:51:40,529 --> 01:51:39,099
yours yeah yeah I'm sorry say that again

2433
01:51:42,540 --> 01:51:40,539
yeah no you're telling your books your

2434
01:51:44,459 --> 01:51:42,550
tightest oh well I actually would say

2435
01:51:46,919 --> 01:51:44,469
the real men in black because that's one

2436
01:51:50,009 --> 01:51:46,929
that really that's a subject that really

2437
01:51:51,959 --> 01:51:50,019
fascinates me and also a book had you

2438
01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:51,969
called what are called wild man which

2439
01:51:57,779 --> 01:51:55,570
deals with like historical reports of

2440
01:52:00,239 --> 01:51:57,789
wild man and bigfoot-type creatures

2441
01:52:01,770 --> 01:52:00,249
reported throughout the UK going back

2442
01:52:03,810 --> 01:52:01,780
like a thousand years that's an area you

2443
01:52:05,879 --> 01:52:03,820
don't get to see covered very much he's

2444
01:52:08,879 --> 01:52:05,889
sort of you know ancient wild man type

2445
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:08,889
reports in the United fall or akin

2446
01:52:13,469 --> 01:52:12,130
historical and mythology and so I was

2447
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:13,479
pleased to be able to get that one hand

2448
01:52:19,770 --> 01:52:16,719
as well now my favorite and I have to

2449
01:52:22,169 --> 01:52:19,780
admit the title has just slipped my mind

2450
01:52:23,909 --> 01:52:22,179
here is the one that you wrote about the

2451
01:52:26,359 --> 01:52:23,919
government people in the government

2452
01:52:28,379 --> 01:52:26,369
thinking that UFOs may involve

2453
01:52:31,049 --> 01:52:28,389
demonology Oh

2454
01:52:33,509 --> 01:52:31,059
final event Shantanu strange story no

2455
01:52:34,140 --> 01:52:33,519
yeah that's a great that's a great one

2456
01:52:37,470 --> 01:52:34,150
and of course

2457
01:52:39,060 --> 01:52:37,480
you're a book on the the Roswell you're

2458
01:52:43,500 --> 01:52:39,070
different take on the and the Roswell

2459
01:52:46,649 --> 01:52:43,510
incident you know trying if you write in

2460
01:52:48,090 --> 01:52:46,659
the book you know I always try and you

2461
01:52:50,669 --> 01:52:48,100
know prevail provide the reader with

2462
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:50,679
something no and I mean to get back to

2463
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:52,030
Peter I think that was what was so

2464
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:55,690
important about left at Eastgate is over

2465
01:53:00,899 --> 01:52:57,370
the years they've been numerous books

2466
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:00,909
written about Roswell but what we had we

2467
01:53:05,070 --> 01:53:01,810
left at Eastgate

2468
01:53:07,500 --> 01:53:05,080
was with Larry you know it was strike

2469
01:53:09,689 --> 01:53:07,510
from you know from the witness's mouth

2470
01:53:12,060 --> 01:53:09,699
and what may be unique because you had

2471
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:12,070
Peter being able to give like his

2472
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:16,050
perspective and and balance and you know

2473
01:53:20,610 --> 01:53:18,850
Larry was a guide right inside a Peter

2474
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:20,620
was the guy who could look at him from

2475
01:53:25,110 --> 01:53:23,290
the outside in and you know we'd never

2476
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:25,120
had a book like that before which was

2477
01:53:31,380 --> 01:53:29,440
like a real traumatic you know story

2478
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:31,390
immense respect of how hilarious what

2479
01:53:36,660 --> 01:53:33,730
life was changed and how Peter came into

2480
01:53:37,050 --> 01:53:36,670
it and in many respects you know left at

2481
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:37,060
Eastgate

2482
01:53:42,270 --> 01:53:39,610
not only is it a great UFO book but it's

2483
01:53:44,130 --> 01:53:42,280
it's about people you know and and and

2484
01:53:46,590 --> 01:53:44,140
another subject impacts on them and I

2485
01:53:48,660 --> 01:53:46,600
think the way the UFO subject impacts on

2486
01:53:51,209 --> 01:53:48,670
people is one of the most important

2487
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:51,219
aspects of a subject the most important

2488
01:53:56,820 --> 01:53:55,210
yeah the fact is we're all human we may

2489
01:53:59,580 --> 01:53:56,830
never get to the bottom of this mystery

2490
01:54:02,820 --> 01:53:59,590
Seiken it may bring us together in some

2491
01:54:04,260 --> 01:54:02,830
ways that nothing else can well what

2492
01:54:06,570 --> 01:54:04,270
they I don't think interject judgin

2493
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:06,580
before we go off air are you guys

2494
01:54:10,110 --> 01:54:08,770
familiar with what Travis's going

2495
01:54:13,260 --> 01:54:10,120
through with his grandson at the moment

2496
01:54:14,700 --> 01:54:13,270
with Ethan Medical Fund yes so what's

2497
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:14,710
happening I wanted to give a special

2498
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:16,719
shout out to his grandson in to Travis

2499
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:19,210
uh and also to give the link out for

2500
01:54:23,700 --> 01:54:20,560
anybody who wants to go and donate money

2501
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:23,710
thank you so the GoFundMe account it's

2502
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:25,360
right now have forty eight hundred to

2503
01:54:28,590 --> 01:54:27,130
trying to raise ten thousand dollars for

2504
01:54:30,030 --> 01:54:28,600
all the medical expenses for a little

2505
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:30,040
yes who is fighting for his life

2506
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:32,320
I mean a donation I you know what

2507
01:54:36,689 --> 01:54:35,110
message it is to you know to brag about

2508
01:54:38,729 --> 01:54:36,699
it but I think everybody who cares about

2509
01:54:40,290 --> 01:54:38,739
hears about his family go out there give

2510
01:54:43,140 --> 01:54:40,300
a donation five bucks ten bucks whatever

2511
01:54:46,220 --> 01:54:43,150
it is every little every little helps go

2512
01:54:51,210 --> 01:54:46,230
to go fund me.com forward slash

2513
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:51,220
l5 7:05 see which is a weird URL so well

2514
01:54:54,330 --> 01:54:52,690
the best way that actually is fine if

2515
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:54,340
you can't find it that way you could

2516
01:54:59,190 --> 01:54:57,040
google Ethan Medical Fund Travis Walton

2517
01:55:01,290 --> 01:54:59,200
you'll find it right away if not you can

2518
01:55:03,210 --> 01:55:01,300
go to skywatchers radio.com there's a

2519
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:03,220
banner right on there click on it go to

2520
01:55:06,630 --> 01:55:05,920
the GoFundMe page please donate help is

2521
01:55:08,460 --> 01:55:06,640
a good cause

2522
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:08,470
thanks so much for that you can go to

2523
01:55:13,980 --> 01:55:11,410
Travis's Facebook pages rustle yep I

2524
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:13,990
want to thank all of you for being on

2525
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:17,290
unraveling the secrets this evening it's

2526
01:55:22,020 --> 01:55:20,410
been a great program you two are both

2527
01:55:24,180 --> 01:55:22,030
fascinating guests cubes have

2528
01:55:27,630 --> 01:55:24,190
contributed a lot to the the subject and

2529
01:55:30,690 --> 01:55:27,640
Nick you will be on skywatchers which is

2530
01:55:36,210 --> 01:55:30,700
angels show just the coming up in in a

2531
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:36,220
voice or a few days right okay it's

2532
01:55:43,110 --> 01:55:40,330
coming up and this show will be archived

2533
01:55:45,900 --> 01:55:43,120
shortly and it will be up on youtube if

2534
01:55:47,580 --> 01:55:45,910
you go to youtube and just type in mr.

2535
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:47,590
UFO secret files

2536
01:55:52,110 --> 01:55:50,410
every every show now that I've done is

2537
01:55:56,250 --> 01:55:52,120
up there along with some very

2538
01:55:58,050 --> 01:55:56,260
interesting videos the audios of the

2539
01:56:00,300 --> 01:55:58,060
show but it's it's it's some great stuff

2540
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:00,310
there and tell your friends about the

2541
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:03,090
show and tell you can't afford soup and

2542
01:56:12,420 --> 01:56:06,850
tim-tim so forget unraveling the strings

2543
01:56:16,350 --> 01:56:12,430
it's a trick on the add radio network

2544
01:56:18,510 --> 01:56:16,360
yes everybody will be here next week

2545
01:56:22,140 --> 01:56:18,520
with another exciting show in Thank You